org-mode tutorial?

org-mode tutorial?

[Steven Degutis]

I've tried a few times to get started using org-mode for hierarchical
lists. But every single time I try to look for some tutorials or intro
pages, I get an overwhelming list, and the vast majority of them don't
even seem to talk about working with hierarchical lists, but rather
all the *other* things you can do in org-mode.

Can someone please point me to a really basic tutorial or explanation
on how to use org-mode to create hierarchical lists? I basically mean
something like html's [ul] and [li] elements, nested.

-Steven

Re: org-mode tutorial?

[Teemu Likonen]

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Steven Degutis [2013-04-27 14:21:20 -05:00] wrote:

> Can someone please point me to a really basic tutorial or explanation
> on how to use org-mode to create hierarchical lists?

I don't think there are manual _just_ for that. I think you should study
the "Plain lists" section of the manual:

http://orgmode.org/manual/Plain-lists.html#Plain-lists

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Re: org-mode tutorial?

[Bastien]

Teemu Likonen <tlikonen@iki.fi> writes:

> Steven Degutis [2013-04-27 14:21:20 -05:00] wrote:
>
>> Can someone please point me to a really basic tutorial or explanation
>> on how to use org-mode to create hierarchical lists?
>
> I don't think there are manual _just_ for that. I think you should study
> the "Plain lists" section of the manual:
>
> http://orgmode.org/manual/Plain-lists.html#Plain-lists

Indeed.  Also, Worg is edited by the community, so if you want to add
a new tutorial or reorganize the existing ones, just send your public
key to either me or Carsten, we will give you write access to the Worg
git repository.

-- 
 Bastien

Re: org-mode tutorial?

[Jude DaShiell]

The checkboxes documentation could be ambiguous because the first time 
the string that sets up a checkbox is mentioned, it appears split onto 
two adjacent lines at least in the lynx browser.  I would be interested 
to know if lynx is unique in this or if other browsers also split that 
line.

On Sat, 27 Apr 2013, Teemu Likonen wrote:

> Steven Degutis [2013-04-27 14:21:20 -05:00] wrote:
> 
> > Can someone please point me to a really basic tutorial or explanation
> > on how to use org-mode to create hierarchical lists?
> 
> I don't think there are manual _just_ for that. I think you should study
> the "Plain lists" section of the manual:
> 
> http://orgmode.org/manual/Plain-lists.html#Plain-lists
> 

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jude <jdashiel@shellworld.net>
Microsoft, windows is accessible. why do blind people need screen readers?

Re: org-mode tutorial?

[Tamas K Papp]

On Sun, Apr 28 2013, Jude DaShiell wrote:

> The checkboxes documentation could be ambiguous because the first time 
> the string that sets up a checkbox is mentioned, it appears split onto 
> two adjacent lines at least in the lynx browser.  I would be interested 
> to know if lynx is unique in this or if other browsers also split that 
> line.

You can make it happen in Firefox, if my guess is correct then the HTML
for the text you are referring to is

&lsquo;<samp><span class="samp">[ ]</span></samp>&rsquo;

which can indeed break on the space.  I guess you could report a bug
about it, a possible fix would be setting the white space property [1]
to something else than 'normal'.

Best,

Tamas

[1] http://www.w3.org/TR/CSS2/text.html#white-space-prop

Re: org-mode tutorial?

[Jude DaShiell]

My guess is hierarchical lists are made hierarchical by means of different 
indentation levels.  You start out with top hierarchy level and a first 
plain list.  Then move one level down hierarchy by using one indent level.  
On Sat, 27 Apr 2013, Steven Degutis wrote:

> I've tried a few times to get started using org-mode for hierarchical
> lists. But every single time I try to look for some tutorials or intro
> pages, I get an overwhelming list, and the vast majority of them don't
> even seem to talk about working with hierarchical lists, but rather
> all the *other* things you can do in org-mode.
> 
> Can someone please point me to a really basic tutorial or explanation
> on how to use org-mode to create hierarchical lists? I basically mean
> something like html's [ul] and [li] elements, nested.
> 
> -Steven
> 
> 

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jude <jdashiel@shellworld.net>
Microsoft, windows is accessible. why do blind people need screen readers?

Re: org-mode tutorial?

[Bastien]

Steven Degutis <sbdegutis@gmail.com> writes:

> Can someone please point me to a really basic tutorial or explanation
> on how to use org-mode to create hierarchical lists? I basically mean
> something like html's [ul] and [li] elements, nested.

Maybe we forgot to mention the "obvious": use M-<right> to nest a list
item, and M-<left> to "unnest" it.

-- 
 Bastien

actual html or something else? [was: Re: org-mode tutorial?]

[ken]

n 04/28/2013 03:58 AM Bastien wrote:
> Steven Degutis <sbdegutis@gmail.com> writes:
>
>> Can someone please point me to a really basic tutorial or explanation
>> on how to use org-mode to create hierarchical lists? I basically mean
>> something like html's [ul] and [li] elements, nested.
>
> Maybe we forgot to mention the "obvious": use M-<right> to nest a list
> item, and M-<left> to "unnest" it.

I'm curious about org-mode also.  This is the first I've heard that it 
can handle html.  But does it handle actual html or does it need some 
other kind of code (as is found often in wikis) which represents html? 
I mean, does org-mode understand html text like this:

<html>
<head>
... a few dozen lines of <meta.../> and other stuff ...
</head>

<body ...>

<h1 ...>Major heading</h1>

<p ...>Paragraph text...
  </p>

<p ..>Another paragraph....  And several such paragraphs.
  </p>

<h2 ...>Sub-heading</h2>

<p ...>Obviously another paragraph. Several such paragraphs, each of 
course with its own 'p' tags.
  </p>

<h2 ...>Another sub-heading</h2>

<p ...>More paragraphs
  </p>

</body>
</html>

In a longer document of the sort above, I might want to manipulate it in 
a number of different ways:

- "collapse" the display of the document to display just the headings, 
just the 'h1' tags and text within them.  Can org-mode do that?

- then "unhide"-- i.e., display-- selected sub-headings.  Does org-mode 
do this?

- "unhide" (display) all 'h2'-tagged subheadings.

- "unhide" (display) all 'h3'-tagged subheadings.

- "unhide" (display) all subheadings: e.g., 'h1' through 'h7'. (I 
believe h7 is the highest of the 'h' tags for some reason.)

- selectively (in different ways) "unhide" paragraphs.

- select a particular subheading, say one chosen 'h3' tag, which by 
default includes all the text under it (until the next 'h3' tag, 
including zero or more 'h4' and higher tags), and then move that to 
another location within the document.

- similarly, select a particular paragraph and move it to another 
location within that document.

- or select a paragraph and copy it to another location in the document.


If org-mode can't do these things, is there some other mode which can?

A few years ago I played around with org-mode for a day or two, but 
couldn't figure out what it was doing... or how to do what I needed to 
do... and so then not either whether it would do what I needed.  So I 
gave up on it.  Since the topic came up again, I thought maybe someone 
here would know enough about it to address some of the basics.

tia,
ken

Re: actual html or something else? [was: Re: org-mode tutorial?]

[Bastien]

Hi Ken,

did you try Org-mode or read the manual?  There are many resources
out there, you should have a look.

As for dealing with HTML, Org can export to HTML, and you can use
`orgstruct-mode' and `orgtbl-mode' within an HTML buffer, then add
lists and tables and export/convert these lists/tables.

But you cannot manipulate HTML code directly.

See the manual and tutorials for more details.

HTH,

-- 
 Bastien

Re: actual html or something else? [was: Re: org-mode tutorial?]

[Bastien]

Bastien <bzg@altern.org> writes:

> As for dealing with HTML, Org can export to HTML, and you can use
> `orgstruct-mode' and `orgtbl-mode' within an HTML buffer, then add
> lists and tables and export/convert these lists/tables.
>
> But you cannot manipulate HTML code directly.

For an example of what I mention above, see this video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EQAd41VAXWo

-- 
 Bastien

Re: actual html or something else? [was: Re: org-mode tutorial?]

[ken]

n 04/29/2013 10:57 AM Bastien wrote:
> ....
>
> But you cannot manipulate HTML code directly.

Thanks, Bastien.  I guess I should have asked just this question 
first... could have saved myself a lot of time.


>
> See the manual and tutorials for more details.

I don't know what org-mode is supposed to help me (or anyone else) 
accomplish.  So it's not actually useful to me at this point for 
anything that I know of.  Perhaps in future....

Thanks again.