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* ewoc--adjust ugliness
@ 2006-05-25  0:37 Richard Stallman
  2006-05-26  8:36 ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 11+ messages in thread
From: Richard Stallman @ 2006-05-25  0:37 UTC (permalink / raw)
  Cc: emacs-devel

ewoc--adjust refers to a free variable `dll'.  This is not clean, because
that name is short and has no defvar.

When you want to bind a variable in one function
and use it in others, please give it a longer name,
starting with the package prefix, and give it a defvar.

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* Re: ewoc--adjust ugliness
  2006-05-25  0:37 ewoc--adjust ugliness Richard Stallman
@ 2006-05-26  8:36 ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
  2006-05-26 10:49   ` Mathias Dahl
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 11+ messages in thread
From: Thien-Thi Nguyen @ 2006-05-26  8:36 UTC (permalink / raw)
  Cc: emacs-devel

Richard Stallman <rms@gnu.org> writes:

> ewoc--adjust refers to a free variable `dll'.  This is not
> clean, because that name is short and has no defvar.
> 
> When you want to bind a variable in one function
> and use it in others, please give it a longer name,
> starting with the package prefix, and give it a defvar.

thanks for pointing this out.  i have installed a fix.

thi

^ permalink raw reply	[flat|nested] 11+ messages in thread

* Re: ewoc--adjust ugliness
  2006-05-26  8:36 ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
@ 2006-05-26 10:49   ` Mathias Dahl
  2006-05-26 11:57     ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
  2006-05-26 12:44     ` Sam Steingold
  0 siblings, 2 replies; 11+ messages in thread
From: Mathias Dahl @ 2006-05-26 10:49 UTC (permalink / raw)
  Cc: rms, emacs-devel

> > ewoc--adjust refers to a free variable `dll'.  This is not
> > clean, because that name is short and has no defvar.
>
> thanks for pointing this out.  i have installed a fix.

There seems to be quite a few things happening with ewoc right now,
has anyone looked into the recent bug in ewoc that Magnus found? See
below:

--

From: Magnus Henoch <mange@freemail.hu>
Subject: ewoc misbehaves
Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.pretest.bugs
Date: Sun, 21 May 2006 16:14:00 +0200

Revision 1.26 of ewoc.el changes its behavior in
backwards-incompatible ways.  Specifically:

- A newline is no longer inserted between items, and after header and
  footer.

- Markers after the ewoc structure are not advanced, but suddenly
  point before it after an item is inserted.

Magnus

--

No one has responded, as far as I can see, but maybe someone is
working on it? I for one cannot use the latest CVS Emacs because of
this as it breaks the nice jabber.el package.

Sorry if this seems like nagging (it is, kind of... :).

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* Re: ewoc--adjust ugliness
  2006-05-26 10:49   ` Mathias Dahl
@ 2006-05-26 11:57     ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
  2006-05-26 12:08       ` Nick Roberts
  2006-05-26 14:05       ` Stefan Monnier
  2006-05-26 12:44     ` Sam Steingold
  1 sibling, 2 replies; 11+ messages in thread
From: Thien-Thi Nguyen @ 2006-05-26 11:57 UTC (permalink / raw)
  Cc: emacs-devel

   From: "Mathias Dahl" <mathias.dahl@gmail.com>
   Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 12:49:59 +0200

   No one has responded, as far as I can see, but maybe someone is
   working on it? I for one cannot use the latest CVS Emacs because of
   this as it breaks the nice jabber.el package.

   Sorry if this seems like nagging (it is, kind of... :).

there is some off-list discussion.  concensus is that the changes are ok;
now we are wondering how client packages (such as jabber.el) should best
go about detecting the change.  i suppose adding something like:

(put 'ewoc-create 'no-gratuitous-newline t)

would work, but am not sure how it fits in w/ emacs' conventions (if
any) for support of package-level features.  if no one objects, i will
add that line and document the discovery method.

in any case, there is an entry in NEWS for the changes under
"Incompatible Lisp Changes in Emacs 22.1", q.v.

thi

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* Re: ewoc--adjust ugliness
  2006-05-26 11:57     ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
@ 2006-05-26 12:08       ` Nick Roberts
  2006-05-26 21:16         ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
  2006-05-26 14:05       ` Stefan Monnier
  1 sibling, 1 reply; 11+ messages in thread
From: Nick Roberts @ 2006-05-26 12:08 UTC (permalink / raw)
  Cc: emacs-devel, mathias.dahl

 > there is some off-list discussion.  concensus is that the changes are ok;

Do you work for the White House by any chance?


-- 
Nick                                           http://www.inet.net.nz/~nickrob

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* Re: ewoc--adjust ugliness
  2006-05-26 10:49   ` Mathias Dahl
  2006-05-26 11:57     ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
@ 2006-05-26 12:44     ` Sam Steingold
  1 sibling, 0 replies; 11+ messages in thread
From: Sam Steingold @ 2006-05-26 12:44 UTC (permalink / raw)


> * Mathias Dahl <znguvnf.qnuy@tznvy.pbz> [2006-05-26 12:49:59 +0200]:
>
>> > ewoc--adjust refers to a free variable `dll'.  This is not
>> > clean, because that name is short and has no defvar.
>>
>> thanks for pointing this out.  i have installed a fix.
>
> There seems to be quite a few things happening with ewoc right now,
> has anyone looked into the recent bug in ewoc that Magnus found? See
> below:
>
> --
>
> From: Magnus Henoch <mange@freemail.hu>
> Subject: ewoc misbehaves
> Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.pretest.bugs
> Date: Sun, 21 May 2006 16:14:00 +0200
>
> Revision 1.26 of ewoc.el changes its behavior in
> backwards-incompatible ways.  Specifically:
>
> - A newline is no longer inserted between items, and after header and
>  footer.
>
> - Markers after the ewoc structure are not advanced, but suddenly
>  point before it after an item is inserted.
>
> Magnus
>
> --
>
> No one has responded, as far as I can see, but maybe someone is
> working on it? I for one cannot use the latest CVS Emacs because of
> this as it breaks the nice jabber.el package.
>
> Sorry if this seems like nagging (it is, kind of... :).

also, I need to manually re-load ewoc to use pcvs.
http://article.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:54832
http://article.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:55034

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* Re: ewoc--adjust ugliness
  2006-05-26 11:57     ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
  2006-05-26 12:08       ` Nick Roberts
@ 2006-05-26 14:05       ` Stefan Monnier
  2006-05-26 22:49         ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
  1 sibling, 1 reply; 11+ messages in thread
From: Stefan Monnier @ 2006-05-26 14:05 UTC (permalink / raw)
  Cc: emacs-devel, mathias.dahl

> go about detecting the change.  i suppose adding something like:
> (put 'ewoc-create 'no-gratuitous-newline t)
> would work, but am not sure how it fits in w/ emacs' conventions (if

I think it's more important to make it backward compatible, than to
allow clients to test easily whether the new feature is present.
First things first.


        Stefan

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* Re: ewoc--adjust ugliness
  2006-05-26 12:08       ` Nick Roberts
@ 2006-05-26 21:16         ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
  0 siblings, 0 replies; 11+ messages in thread
From: Thien-Thi Nguyen @ 2006-05-26 21:16 UTC (permalink / raw)
  Cc: emacs-devel, mathias.dahl

   From: Nick Roberts <nickrob@snap.net.nz>
   Date: Sat, 27 May 2006 00:08:46 +1200

   Do you work for the White House by any chance?

like all political questions and answers,
that probably depends on who you ask...

i do work for GNU, but i do not work for anyone presently.  (if anyone
wants to discuss job offers / sponsorship, please use private mail.)

thi

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* Re: ewoc--adjust ugliness
  2006-05-26 14:05       ` Stefan Monnier
@ 2006-05-26 22:49         ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
  2006-05-27  3:25           ` Stefan Monnier
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 11+ messages in thread
From: Thien-Thi Nguyen @ 2006-05-26 22:49 UTC (permalink / raw)


Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> writes:

> I think it's more important to make it backward compatible, than to
> allow clients to test easily whether the new feature is present.
> First things first.

i disagree (looks like i was too hasty concluding there was a
concensus), but more out of laziness than any contrarian sentiment.
hmm, writing that last sentence has shamed me into exerting a little
more effort [munge munge]...

please find below another patch.  i have tested it lightly w/ pcvs.el
and pcvs-info.el prior to 2006-05-18, and also w/ current sources,
modified to specify NOSEP in the call to `ewoc-create'.

 * emacs-lisp/ewoc.el (ewoc): Add member `hf-pp' to this structure.
 (ewoc--refresh-node): Reseat node's start marker.
 (ewoc--wrap): New func.
 (ewoc-create): Take additional arg NOSEP.  If nil, wrap node and
 header/footer pretty-printers.  Save header/footer pretty-printer.
 (ewoc-set-hf): Use ewoc's header/footer pretty-printer.

thanks go to Stefan for suggesting NOSEP.

thi

_______________________________________________________
diff -c -r1.30 ewoc.el
*** ewoc.el	26 May 2006 08:29:13 -0000	1.30
--- ewoc.el	26 May 2006 22:33:06 -0000
***************
*** 186,192 ****
  	    (:constructor ewoc--create
  			  (buffer pretty-printer header footer dll))
  	    (:conc-name ewoc--))
!   buffer pretty-printer header footer dll last-node)
  
  (defmacro ewoc--set-buffer-bind-dll-let* (ewoc varlist &rest forms)
    "Execute FORMS with ewoc--buffer selected as current buffer,
--- 186,192 ----
  	    (:constructor ewoc--create
  			  (buffer pretty-printer header footer dll))
  	    (:conc-name ewoc--))
!   buffer pretty-printer header footer dll last-node hf-pp)
  
  (defmacro ewoc--set-buffer-bind-dll-let* (ewoc varlist &rest forms)
    "Execute FORMS with ewoc--buffer selected as current buffer,
***************
*** 248,268 ****
  
  (defun ewoc--refresh-node (pp node)
    "Redisplay the element represented by NODE using the pretty-printer PP."
!   (let ((inhibit-read-only t)
!         (m (ewoc--node-start-marker node))
!         (R (ewoc--node-right node)))
      ;; First, remove the string from the buffer:
      (delete-region m (ewoc--node-start-marker R))
      ;; Calculate and insert the string.
      (goto-char m)
      (funcall pp (ewoc--node-data node))
      (ewoc--adjust m (point) R)))
  \f
  ;;; ===========================================================================
  ;;;                  Public members of the Ewoc package
  
  ;;;###autoload
! (defun ewoc-create (pretty-printer &optional header footer)
    "Create an empty ewoc.
  
  The ewoc will be inserted in the current buffer at the current position.
--- 248,281 ----
  
  (defun ewoc--refresh-node (pp node)
    "Redisplay the element represented by NODE using the pretty-printer PP."
!   (let* ((inhibit-read-only t)
!          (m (ewoc--node-start-marker node))
!          (pos (marker-position m))
!          (R (ewoc--node-right node)))
      ;; First, remove the string from the buffer:
      (delete-region m (ewoc--node-start-marker R))
      ;; Calculate and insert the string.
      (goto-char m)
      (funcall pp (ewoc--node-data node))
+     ;; If the ewoc was created w/ NOSEP, then this node's start marker will
+     ;; have been pushed back by the wrapped pretty printer (sigh).  Reseat it.
+     (set-marker m pos)
      (ewoc--adjust m (point) R)))
+ 
+ (defun ewoc--wrap (func)
+   (lexical-let ((ewoc--user-pp func))
+     (lambda (data)
+       (insert-before-markers "\n")
+       (forward-char -1)
+       (funcall ewoc--user-pp data)
+       (forward-char 1))))
+ 
  \f
  ;;; ===========================================================================
  ;;;                  Public members of the Ewoc package
  
  ;;;###autoload
! (defun ewoc-create (pretty-printer &optional header footer nosep)
    "Create an empty ewoc.
  
  The ewoc will be inserted in the current buffer at the current position.
***************
*** 275,297 ****
  
  Optional second and third arguments HEADER and FOOTER are strings,
  possibly empty, that will always be present at the top and bottom,
! respectively, of the ewoc."
    (let* ((dummy-node (ewoc--node-create 'DL-LIST 'DL-LIST))
           (dll (progn (setf (ewoc--node-right dummy-node) dummy-node)
                       (setf (ewoc--node-left dummy-node) dummy-node)
                       dummy-node))
!          (new-ewoc
!           (ewoc--create (current-buffer)
!                         pretty-printer nil nil dll))
           (pos (point))
           head foot)
      (ewoc--set-buffer-bind-dll new-ewoc
        ;; Set default values
        (unless header (setq header ""))
        (unless footer (setq footer ""))
        (setf (ewoc--node-start-marker dll) (copy-marker pos)
!             foot (ewoc--insert-new-node  dll footer 'insert)
!             head (ewoc--insert-new-node foot header 'insert)
              (ewoc--footer new-ewoc) foot
              (ewoc--header new-ewoc) head))
      ;; Return the ewoc
--- 288,316 ----
  
  Optional second and third arguments HEADER and FOOTER are strings,
  possibly empty, that will always be present at the top and bottom,
! respectively, of the ewoc.
! 
! Normally, a newline is automatically inserted after the header,
! the footer and every node's printed representation.  Optional
! fourth arg NOSEP non-nil inhibits this."
    (let* ((dummy-node (ewoc--node-create 'DL-LIST 'DL-LIST))
           (dll (progn (setf (ewoc--node-right dummy-node) dummy-node)
                       (setf (ewoc--node-left dummy-node) dummy-node)
                       dummy-node))
!          (wrap (if nosep 'identity 'ewoc--wrap))
!          (new-ewoc (ewoc--create (current-buffer)
!                                  (funcall wrap pretty-printer) nil nil dll))
!          (hf-pp (funcall wrap 'insert))
           (pos (point))
           head foot)
+     (setf (ewoc--hf-pp new-ewoc) hf-pp)
      (ewoc--set-buffer-bind-dll new-ewoc
        ;; Set default values
        (unless header (setq header ""))
        (unless footer (setq footer ""))
        (setf (ewoc--node-start-marker dll) (copy-marker pos)
!             foot (ewoc--insert-new-node  dll footer hf-pp)
!             head (ewoc--insert-new-node foot header hf-pp)
              (ewoc--footer new-ewoc) foot
              (ewoc--header new-ewoc) head))
      ;; Return the ewoc
***************
*** 596,607 ****
    "Set the HEADER and FOOTER of EWOC."
    (ewoc--set-buffer-bind-dll-let* ewoc
        ((head (ewoc--header ewoc))
!        (foot (ewoc--footer ewoc)))
      (setf (ewoc--node-data head) header
            (ewoc--node-data foot) footer)
      (save-excursion
!       (ewoc--refresh-node 'insert head)
!       (ewoc--refresh-node 'insert foot))))
  
  \f
  (provide 'ewoc)
--- 615,627 ----
    "Set the HEADER and FOOTER of EWOC."
    (ewoc--set-buffer-bind-dll-let* ewoc
        ((head (ewoc--header ewoc))
!        (foot (ewoc--footer ewoc))
!        (hf-pp (ewoc--hf-pp ewoc)))
      (setf (ewoc--node-data head) header
            (ewoc--node-data foot) footer)
      (save-excursion
!       (ewoc--refresh-node hf-pp head)
!       (ewoc--refresh-node hf-pp foot))))
  
  \f
  (provide 'ewoc)

===end===

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* Re: ewoc--adjust ugliness
  2006-05-26 22:49         ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
@ 2006-05-27  3:25           ` Stefan Monnier
  2006-05-27  8:40             ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 11+ messages in thread
From: Stefan Monnier @ 2006-05-27  3:25 UTC (permalink / raw)
  Cc: emacs-devel

> + (defun ewoc--wrap (func)
> +   (lexical-let ((ewoc--user-pp func))
> +     (lambda (data)
> +       (insert-before-markers "\n")
> +       (forward-char -1)
> +       (funcall ewoc--user-pp data)
> +       (forward-char 1))))

Why not

(defun ewoc--wrap (func)
  (lexical-let ((ewoc--user-pp func))
    (lambda (data)
      (funcall ewoc--user-pp data)
      (insert "\n"))))


-- Stefan

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* Re: ewoc--adjust ugliness
  2006-05-27  3:25           ` Stefan Monnier
@ 2006-05-27  8:40             ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
  0 siblings, 0 replies; 11+ messages in thread
From: Thien-Thi Nguyen @ 2006-05-27  8:40 UTC (permalink / raw)


Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> writes:

> Why not [more elegant `ewoc--wrap']

indeed, much better!

  * emacs-lisp/ewoc.el (ewoc): Add member `hf-pp' to this structure.
  (ewoc--wrap): New func.
  (ewoc-create): Take additional arg NOSEP.  If nil, wrap node and
  header/footer pretty-printers.  Save header/footer pretty-printer.
  (ewoc-set-hf): Use ewoc's header/footer pretty-printer.

thi

_______________________________________________________________________
diff -c -r1.30 ewoc.el
*** ewoc.el	26 May 2006 08:29:13 -0000	1.30
--- ewoc.el	27 May 2006 08:38:29 -0000
***************
*** 186,192 ****
  	    (:constructor ewoc--create
  			  (buffer pretty-printer header footer dll))
  	    (:conc-name ewoc--))
!   buffer pretty-printer header footer dll last-node)
  
  (defmacro ewoc--set-buffer-bind-dll-let* (ewoc varlist &rest forms)
    "Execute FORMS with ewoc--buffer selected as current buffer,
--- 186,192 ----
  	    (:constructor ewoc--create
  			  (buffer pretty-printer header footer dll))
  	    (:conc-name ewoc--))
!   buffer pretty-printer header footer dll last-node hf-pp)
  
  (defmacro ewoc--set-buffer-bind-dll-let* (ewoc varlist &rest forms)
    "Execute FORMS with ewoc--buffer selected as current buffer,
***************
*** 257,268 ****
      (goto-char m)
      (funcall pp (ewoc--node-data node))
      (ewoc--adjust m (point) R)))
  \f
  ;;; ===========================================================================
  ;;;                  Public members of the Ewoc package
  
  ;;;###autoload
! (defun ewoc-create (pretty-printer &optional header footer)
    "Create an empty ewoc.
  
  The ewoc will be inserted in the current buffer at the current position.
--- 257,275 ----
      (goto-char m)
      (funcall pp (ewoc--node-data node))
      (ewoc--adjust m (point) R)))
+ 
+ (defun ewoc--wrap (func)
+   (lexical-let ((ewoc--user-pp func))
+     (lambda (data)
+       (funcall ewoc--user-pp data)
+       (insert "\n"))))
+ 
  \f
  ;;; ===========================================================================
  ;;;                  Public members of the Ewoc package
  
  ;;;###autoload
! (defun ewoc-create (pretty-printer &optional header footer nosep)
    "Create an empty ewoc.
  
  The ewoc will be inserted in the current buffer at the current position.
***************
*** 275,288 ****
  
  Optional second and third arguments HEADER and FOOTER are strings,
  possibly empty, that will always be present at the top and bottom,
! respectively, of the ewoc."
    (let* ((dummy-node (ewoc--node-create 'DL-LIST 'DL-LIST))
           (dll (progn (setf (ewoc--node-right dummy-node) dummy-node)
                       (setf (ewoc--node-left dummy-node) dummy-node)
                       dummy-node))
!          (new-ewoc
!           (ewoc--create (current-buffer)
!                         pretty-printer nil nil dll))
           (pos (point))
           head foot)
      (ewoc--set-buffer-bind-dll new-ewoc
--- 282,301 ----
  
  Optional second and third arguments HEADER and FOOTER are strings,
  possibly empty, that will always be present at the top and bottom,
! respectively, of the ewoc.
! 
! Normally, a newline is automatically inserted after the header,
! the footer and every node's printed representation.  Optional
! fourth arg NOSEP non-nil inhibits this."
    (let* ((dummy-node (ewoc--node-create 'DL-LIST 'DL-LIST))
           (dll (progn (setf (ewoc--node-right dummy-node) dummy-node)
                       (setf (ewoc--node-left dummy-node) dummy-node)
                       dummy-node))
!          (wrap (if nosep 'identity 'ewoc--wrap))
!          (new-ewoc (ewoc--create (current-buffer)
!                                  (funcall wrap pretty-printer)
!                                  nil nil dll))
!          (hf-pp (funcall wrap 'insert))
           (pos (point))
           head foot)
      (ewoc--set-buffer-bind-dll new-ewoc
***************
*** 290,297 ****
        (unless header (setq header ""))
        (unless footer (setq footer ""))
        (setf (ewoc--node-start-marker dll) (copy-marker pos)
!             foot (ewoc--insert-new-node  dll footer 'insert)
!             head (ewoc--insert-new-node foot header 'insert)
              (ewoc--footer new-ewoc) foot
              (ewoc--header new-ewoc) head))
      ;; Return the ewoc
--- 303,311 ----
        (unless header (setq header ""))
        (unless footer (setq footer ""))
        (setf (ewoc--node-start-marker dll) (copy-marker pos)
!             foot (ewoc--insert-new-node  dll footer hf-pp)
!             head (ewoc--insert-new-node foot header hf-pp)
!             (ewoc--hf-pp new-ewoc) hf-pp
              (ewoc--footer new-ewoc) foot
              (ewoc--header new-ewoc) head))
      ;; Return the ewoc
***************
*** 596,607 ****
    "Set the HEADER and FOOTER of EWOC."
    (ewoc--set-buffer-bind-dll-let* ewoc
        ((head (ewoc--header ewoc))
!        (foot (ewoc--footer ewoc)))
      (setf (ewoc--node-data head) header
            (ewoc--node-data foot) footer)
      (save-excursion
!       (ewoc--refresh-node 'insert head)
!       (ewoc--refresh-node 'insert foot))))
  
  \f
  (provide 'ewoc)
--- 610,622 ----
    "Set the HEADER and FOOTER of EWOC."
    (ewoc--set-buffer-bind-dll-let* ewoc
        ((head (ewoc--header ewoc))
!        (foot (ewoc--footer ewoc))
!        (hf-pp (ewoc--hf-pp ewoc)))
      (setf (ewoc--node-data head) header
            (ewoc--node-data foot) footer)
      (save-excursion
!       (ewoc--refresh-node hf-pp head)
!       (ewoc--refresh-node hf-pp foot))))
  
  \f
  (provide 'ewoc)

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