From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Sam Steingold Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: pop-up-frames inconvenience Date: Mon, 05 Jun 2006 17:30:17 -0400 Organization: disorganization Message-ID: References: Reply-To: sds@podval.org NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1149543091 27163 80.91.229.2 (5 Jun 2006 21:31:31 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2006 21:31:31 +0000 (UTC) Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Jun 05 23:31:30 2006 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by ciao.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FnMfT-0001z7-2X for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 05 Jun 2006 23:31:23 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FnMfS-0000lN-AU for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 05 Jun 2006 17:31:22 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1FnMfB-0000iW-01 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 05 Jun 2006 17:31:05 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1FnMf8-0000f1-39 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 05 Jun 2006 17:31:04 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FnMf7-0000ej-TH for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 05 Jun 2006 17:31:01 -0400 Original-Received: from [80.91.229.2] (helo=ciao.gmane.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1FnMmL-0002of-VK for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 05 Jun 2006 17:38:30 -0400 Original-Received: from list by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1FnMem-0001rk-V9 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 05 Jun 2006 23:30:40 +0200 Original-Received: from 209.213.205.130 ([209.213.205.130]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Mon, 05 Jun 2006 23:30:40 +0200 Original-Received: from sds by 209.213.205.130 with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Mon, 05 Jun 2006 23:30:40 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Mail-Followup-To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-Lines: 34 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.213.205.130 Mail-Copies-To: never X-Attribution: Sam X-Disclaimer: You should not expect anyone to agree with me. User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/22.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:tCMYsWgO5p+g24VNCqFdNeC813M= X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:55729 Archived-At: > * Drew Adams [2006-06-05 14:00:38 -0700]: > > > 1. help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org is the proper list for this kind of > > question. > > Not for the CVS version of Emacs, it isn't. > Sam, please keep this discussion on emacs-devel, thanks. > > If I understand Sam's complaint, this behavior (with the possible > exception of message-send-and-exit) is not at all new to CVS Emacs. indeed this might be wrong time (as Emacs is approaching a release) but this is definitely the right place to discuss _design_ issues related to multi-frame operations. to put it bluntly, pop-up-frames does not work as one would expect it to, requiring plenty of hacks to make, e.g., separate minibuffer frame usable. two independent paths appear to be promising: 1. make all frames that are not explicitly created by the user "dedicated" (then quit-window will delete them) 2. some buffers are not "stand-alone" but tied to the current (minibuffer) operation (e.g., *Completions*). maybe they should be prevented from creating their own frames. maybe completion should be done via a non-buffer mechanism (like baloon help?) -- Sam Steingold (http://www.podval.org/~sds) on Fedora Core release 5 (Bordeaux) http://truepeace.org http://palestinefacts.org http://openvotingconsortium.org http://jihadwatch.org http://thereligionofpeace.com http://memri.org Perl: all stupidities of UNIX in one.