From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Richard Riley Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Issues with emacs Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2012 15:36:17 +0200 Organization: aich tea tea pea dicky riley dot net Message-ID: References: <87bokbb4zw.fsf@gnu.org> Reply-To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1340545007 11299 80.91.229.3 (24 Jun 2012 13:36:47 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2012 13:36:47 +0000 (UTC) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Jun 24 15:36:46 2012 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Simzc-0003vJ-Qa for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sun, 24 Jun 2012 15:36:44 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:41535 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Simzc-0004yI-QY for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sun, 24 Jun 2012 09:36:44 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:58148) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SimzX-0004y4-2r for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 24 Jun 2012 09:36:40 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SimzV-0007J5-Aq for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 24 Jun 2012 09:36:38 -0400 Original-Received: from plane.gmane.org ([80.91.229.3]:57368) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SimzV-0007Iz-4o for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 24 Jun 2012 09:36:37 -0400 Original-Received: from list by plane.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1SimzR-0003pf-6U for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 24 Jun 2012 15:36:33 +0200 Original-Received: from g226250095.adsl.alicedsl.de ([92.226.250.95]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sun, 24 Jun 2012 15:36:33 +0200 Original-Received: from rileyrg by g226250095.adsl.alicedsl.de with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sun, 24 Jun 2012 15:36:33 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Mail-Followup-To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-Lines: 16 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: g226250095.adsl.alicedsl.de X-Message-Smtp-Method: smtp smtp.gmail.com 587 rileyrg Mail-Copies-To: never User-Agent: Gnus/5.130006 (Ma Gnus v0.6) Emacs/24.1.50 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:UF1Q2GTHrlp4B/pW43cGPyN9jb0= X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 80.91.229.3 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:85416 Archived-At: notbob writes: > On 2012-06-24, Andreas Röhler wrote: > >> also focus should shift from teaching keys to mnemonic command-names. > > I don't know about that. I jes wrote my own cheat sheet as I learned > new commands and keystokes. I mean, yer already in a text editor, > ferchrysakes! ;) > > nb Using key strokes is silly. They change and/or/are customised. And its also trivial for the user to learn to learn by querying the doc string for the command and also then seeing the key chords which invoke it were applicable.