From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Jimmy Wong Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#63300: 29.0.90; Tramp keeps customizing variables on every connection Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2023 13:22:35 +0100 Message-ID: References: <87h6rnsiup.fsf@gmx.de> <871qirsbcd.fsf@gmx.de> <666e41e6-b1fc-4dd3-a190-187a73c868f8@Spark> <87sfb7qvoh.fsf@gmx.de> <814039a1-20ea-4068-b950-1cd9ed594e21@Spark> <87o7lvquy2.fsf@gmx.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="647c8256_5ce51b54_e7b1" Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="867"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: 63300@debbugs.gnu.org To: Michael Albinus Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sun Jun 04 14:24:16 2023 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1q5mmN-000AcT-Un for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; 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Sun, 04 Jun 2023 05:23:50 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <87o7lvquy2.fsf@gmx.de> X-Readdle-Message-ID: af9da4b6-9a75-4d40-9b6b-9bffc986399e@Spark X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:262944 Archived-At: --647c8256_5ce51b54_e7b1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline I=E2=80=99ll file a separate bug. You can close this one. Thanks. On 4 Jun 2023 at 1:21 PM +0100, Michael Albinus , wrote: > Jimmy Wong writes: > > Hi, > > > Well, yes, I consider this a poorly considered =E2=80=9Cfeature=E2=80= =9D, or arguably > > a bug, for exactly the reason you said, they are local to connections= > > and machines, and thus highly variable. > > Not really. They exist for the reason that a user can override the > default values offered by Tramp. This I would call a user option. > > Tramp has a lot of further host specific data, which are all kept in > variables. > > > We can probably argue whether this is a bug in tramp or a bug in > > customize-save-variable tho (why on earth does the act of saving a > > single variable value saves all customized values if a custom file > > exists=3F) > > I agree with the latter. > > Best regards, Michael. --647c8256_5ce51b54_e7b1 Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline
I=E2=80=99ll file a separate bug. You can close thi= s one. Thanks.
On 4 Jun 2023 at 1:21 PM +0100, Mic= hael Albinus <michael.albinus=40gmx.de>, wrote:
Jimmy Wong <wyuenho=40gmail.com> writes:

Hi,

Well, yes, I consider this a poorly conside= red =E2=80=9Cfeature=E2=80=9D, or arguably
a bug, for exactly the reason you said, they are local to connections
and machines, and thus highly variable.

Not really. They exist for the reason that a user can override the
default values offered by Tramp. This I would call a user option.

Tramp has a lot of further host specific data, which are all kept in
variables.

We can probably argue whether this is a bug= in tramp or a bug in
customize-save-variable tho (why on earth does the act of saving a
single variable value saves all customized values if a custom file
exists=3F)

I agree with the latter.

Best regards, Michael.
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