From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Xah Lee Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: How to get rid of *GNU Emacs* buffer on start-up? Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 07:21:34 -0700 (PDT) Organization: http://groups.google.com Message-ID: References: <873ajzwoqu.fsf@kobe.laptop> <823901dd-c54c-4e3b-b6ad-512d52724a46@z11g2000prl.googlegroups.com> <87ljxoffs6.fsf@atthis.clsnet.nl> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1221835355 14262 80.91.229.12 (19 Sep 2008 14:42:35 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 14:42:35 +0000 (UTC) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Sep 19 16:43:32 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1KghCe-0001z1-6t for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 19 Sep 2008 16:43:24 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:39624 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KghBd-0006iQ-3E for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 19 Sep 2008 10:42:21 -0400 Original-Path: news.stanford.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews.google.com!c22g2000prc.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail Original-Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help Original-Lines: 71 Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.6.185.159 Original-X-Trace: posting.google.com 1221834095 10908 127.0.0.1 (19 Sep 2008 14:21:35 GMT) Original-X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Original-NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 14:21:35 +0000 (UTC) Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: c22g2000prc.googlegroups.com; posting-host=24.6.185.159; posting-account=qPxGtQkAAADb6PWdLGiWVucht1ZDR6fn User-Agent: G2/1.0 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X 10_4_11; en) AppleWebKit/525.18 (KHTML, like Gecko) Version/3.1.2 Safari/525.22, gzip(gfe), gzip(gfe) Original-Xref: news.stanford.edu gnu.emacs.help:162456 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:57799 Archived-At: On Sep 19, 6:04 am, Cor Gest wrote: > Some entity, AKA Xah Lee , > wrote this mindboggling stuff: > (selectively-snipped-or-not-p) > > > Here's a better phrasing: > > > =E2=80=A2 Emacs does not provide a user level function to create a new = buffer. > > It has =E2=80=9COpen file...=E2=80=9D (a wrapper to the find-file comma= nd), which > > immediately prompt user for a full file path. This is annoying. Modern > > apps's New File command actually just create a new untitled file > > without prompting, and only when user save it it prompt a file name. > > If user closes it, it prompts for saving. > > Emacs _never_ 'opens' files, it merely visits them and copies its > content into a (named)-buffer. > After you are done messing with that buffer you order emacs to write the > content of the buffer to file-name to relace it and saving > the unaltered-visited-file. (you _do_ use versioning, don't you ?) > If you cannot understand this type of editing you really should > not use emacs at all and use something else. huh? What is your point?? > Oh, BTW emacs really is ment for people who know what they want to do > and those people do not create untitled files nor do they not know > where they are messing around in any filesystem, otherwise they should > not be allowed access to the system in the first place. huh? what does this has to do with anything? r u now saying emacs should only be for elite programers? r u trying to say emacs is not Microsoft? hum?? I no unstand. Perhaps u r having a sentiment someting like the following Q: Q: Why should emacs want to be popular and why should emacs change to conform the majority? Luckly i have answered your Q previously, here: http://xahlee.org/emacs/modernization.html Quote: A: This attitude has plagued unix and computer geekers for decades. In the early 1990s (DOS and unix), tech geekers would sneer at graphical menus and mouse, with hordes of reasons how pure text interface, the command line, and or keyboard operations are sufficient and superior than graphical user interface or using a mouse. This seems ridiculous today, but such voices are commonly seen all over newsgroups. (Since about 1998, linuxes are in a frenzied race to copy whole-sale of Microsoft Windows's user interface ( KDE=E2=86=97, GNOME=E2=86=97, Lindows= =E2=86=97 ) trying to make itself easy-to-use.) We like emacs, we want emacs to be used by more people, we like more elisp programers. By improving emacs, as a side effect emacs will also be more popular. It is not a popularity contest. Thanks. Xah =E2=88=91 http://xahlee.org/ =E2=98=84