From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Xah Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: What does 'run' do in cperl-mode? Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 14:32:16 -0700 (PDT) Organization: http://groups.google.com Message-ID: References: <0ded5ecd-f5f6-4a8e-9d19-f61bf0401022@v39g2000pro.googlegroups.com> <86hcad9ar4.fsf@lifelogs.com> <0bb45e96-f9f3-4451-a457-004bb5930c76@p10g2000prf.googlegroups.com> <927b0c4a-3de2-4be5-b86a-7ffacc4d718e@v1g2000pra.googlegroups.com> <88821130-f989-49ac-b8b1-e3cb2f5c5271@1g2000pre.googlegroups.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1217367712 21853 80.91.229.12 (29 Jul 2008 21:41:52 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 21:41:52 +0000 (UTC) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Jul 29 23:42:42 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1KNwxb-00046A-7i for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 23:42:23 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:47622 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KNwwg-0003Q9-W8 for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 17:41:27 -0400 Original-Path: news.stanford.edu!headwall.stanford.edu!newshub.sdsu.edu!news-out.readnews.com!news-xxxfer.readnews.com!postnews.google.com!b2g2000prf.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail Original-Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help Original-Lines: 51 Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.6.97.120 Original-X-Trace: posting.google.com 1217367136 12103 127.0.0.1 (29 Jul 2008 21:32:16 GMT) Original-X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Original-NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 21:32:16 +0000 (UTC) Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: b2g2000prf.googlegroups.com; posting-host=24.6.97.120; posting-account=bRPKjQoAAACxZsR8_VPXCX27T2YcsyMA User-Agent: G2/1.0 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X 10_4_11; en) AppleWebKit/525.18 (KHTML, like Gecko) Version/3.1.2 Safari/525.22, gzip(gfe), gzip(gfe) Original-Xref: news.stanford.edu gnu.emacs.help:160689 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:56037 Archived-At: On Jul 29, 8:16 am, Nikolaj Schumacher wrote: > Xah wrote: > > I can still say make the changes in say 1 day. Then, i have to > > subscribe to the mailing list, write explanation all over again on why > > i did this. > > As opposed to ... writing explanations all over again on why someone > else should do this? :) > > > one of the developer saw that the shortcut notation change is a good > > idea, he can then spend 4 hours and commit. > > Then why haven't you asked the developers, yet? That takes time and energy. You sound like it is my duty or something i should've done. Strongly believing that =E2=80=9CAlt+=E2=80=B9key=E2=80=BA=E2=80=9D notatio= n is better for emacs does not mean i must ask GNU Emacs developers. Asking someone to do something for me is a step of social or interpersonal relation. Asking is not =E2=80=9Cfree=E2=80=9D. For example, if you stand on the street and = ask people to give you money. That has ramifications on your reputation or who you are. Also, if you get denied repeatedly, it might hurt your feelings. > > or other reasons this change is just bad? > > Sure. The current scheme works "well enough" and developer's have other > things to spend four hours on. That's a good point. I do think that this shortcut notation change is trivial enough, yet benefit is huge enough, that it should be done as priority. We discussed about the time required for this. I think it's 4 hours or so. As for the benefit, i think it's huge, because it fixed one of the usability problems of emacs. > If the patch already existed and the side-effects were thoroughly > tested, I might support it (depending on the side-effects). Be positive Nik. Xah =E2=88=91 http://xahlee.org/ =E2=98=84