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From: Drew Adams <drew.adams@oracle.com>
To: Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca>,
	"Pascal J. Bourguignon" <pjb@informatimago.com>
Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: RE: adding namespaces to emacs-lisp (better elisp?)
Date: Sat, 27 Jul 2013 09:43:23 -0700 (PDT)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <ab8ecc73-de88-4681-9347-7e6ff2bff73a@default> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <jwvhafggkg5.fsf-monnier+emacs@gnu.org>

> > The symbol named "AA" with which I played there, was interned only in
> > the package named "A", and only once (in the first call to INTERN).
> > Once I've imported this symbol in the package named "B', it is visible
> > there: FIND-SYMBOL and INTERN find it.  But it's still the symbol named
> 
> Right, so there is a new notion of a symbol being "present" in an
> obarray, whereas in Emacs there's only the notion of a symbol being
> "interned" in an obarray.

Yes, but it's not new ;-), though it would be new to Emacs Lisp.  It is
30 years old.  And it was designed after years of experimentation with
different Lisp namespace ideas and implementations.

On the question of "presence" vs "accessibility" (or "appearance") in a
package, see my previous msg and CLTL(2), chapter Packages [*],
particularly the parts about a symbol being "owned" by at most one package,
its "home package".  (An uninterned symbol has no home package - no package
owns it.)

Pascal's example makes things clear.  See also the consistency rules
I quoted earlier.

[*] http://www.cs.cmu.edu/Groups/AI/html/cltl/clm/node111.html#XPACK



  reply	other threads:[~2013-07-27 16:43 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 62+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2013-07-26 14:08 adding namespaces to emacs-lisp (better elisp?) Nic Ferrier
2013-07-26 14:34 ` Drew Adams
2013-07-26 17:01   ` Pascal J. Bourguignon
2013-07-26 17:01   ` CommonLisp namespace system (was Re: adding namespaces to emacs-lisp (better elisp?)) Nic Ferrier
2013-07-26 17:19     ` Drew Adams
2013-07-26 18:26       ` Sebastian Wiesner
2013-07-26 18:53         ` Drew Adams
2013-07-26 21:08         ` Pascal J. Bourguignon
2013-07-26 18:23     ` Stefan Monnier
2013-07-26 18:32       ` Nic Ferrier
2013-07-26 18:45     ` Tom Tromey
2013-07-26 18:58       ` Drew Adams
2013-07-26 19:06         ` Nic Ferrier
2013-07-26 20:46           ` CommonLisp namespace system Lars Brinkhoff
2013-07-26 20:57             ` Drew Adams
2013-07-26 21:47               ` Nic Ferrier
2013-07-29 17:31                 ` Lars Brinkhoff
2013-07-26 20:57           ` CommonLisp namespace system (was Re: adding namespaces to emacs-lisp (better elisp?)) Drew Adams
2013-07-27  7:17           ` Richard Stallman
2013-07-27  8:13             ` Nic Ferrier
2013-07-27 11:43               ` Bastien
2013-07-27 12:00                 ` David Engster
2013-07-27 16:56                   ` Nic Ferrier
2013-07-27 23:52               ` Richard Stallman
2013-07-28  7:22                 ` Nic Ferrier
2013-07-28  8:18                   ` Jambunathan K
2013-07-28 12:10                   ` Richard Stallman
2013-07-28 13:48                     ` Nic Ferrier
2013-07-29 10:12                       ` Richard Stallman
2013-07-29 10:45                         ` Nic Ferrier
2013-07-30  0:31                           ` Richard Stallman
2013-07-27  9:37             ` CommonLisp namespace system Lars Brinkhoff
2013-07-26 19:42         ` CommonLisp namespace system (was Re: adding namespaces to emacs-lisp (better elisp?)) Drew Adams
2013-07-26 21:26       ` Juanma Barranquero
2013-07-26 21:06     ` Pascal J. Bourguignon
2013-07-26 21:44       ` Nic Ferrier
2013-07-27  7:16   ` adding namespaces to emacs-lisp (better elisp?) Richard Stallman
2013-07-26 15:43 ` Stefan Monnier
2013-07-26 16:56   ` Nic Ferrier
2013-07-26 18:18     ` Stefan Monnier
2013-07-26 19:00       ` Nic Ferrier
2013-07-26 20:59         ` Stefan Monnier
2013-07-26 21:43           ` Nic Ferrier
2013-07-26 21:59             ` Drew Adams
2013-07-26 22:21             ` Stefan Monnier
2013-07-26 22:33               ` Nic Ferrier
2013-07-27  0:51                 ` Stefan Monnier
2013-07-27  8:27                   ` Nic Ferrier
2013-07-27 14:12                     ` Stefan Monnier
2013-07-27 16:17                       ` Nic Ferrier
2013-07-27 17:28                         ` Stefan Monnier
2013-07-27 10:35                   ` Pascal J. Bourguignon
2013-07-26 22:00           ` Drew Adams
2013-07-27  0:49             ` Stefan Monnier
2013-07-27  1:13               ` Drew Adams
2013-07-27  7:02               ` Lars Brinkhoff
2013-07-27 10:33                 ` Pascal J. Bourguignon
2013-07-31  6:48                   ` Lars Brinkhoff
2013-07-27 10:31               ` Pascal J. Bourguignon
2013-07-27 14:14                 ` Stefan Monnier
2013-07-27 16:43                   ` Drew Adams [this message]
2013-07-26 17:21   ` Davis Herring

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