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X-Received-From: 2a00:1450:4864:20::42d X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "help-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:120476 Archived-At: On 17.05.2019 16:13, Eli Zaretskii wrote: > We want to do all these editors do, and also all the rest. That's one > of the Emacs's sale points. > > Currently, we have many more features, but in the IDE department we > lag after those "limited" alternatives. We need to catch up. We are actually okay in the IDE department, with the help of the community, even if you don't like to consider it to be a part of Emacs. We really are much better in that regard these days than we were even a couple years ago. A lot of it is thanks to VS Code and LSP, of course, but not all.