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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:260450 Archived-At: > > Yes, because the Dired 'help-echo text is pretty useless: > > mouse-1: visit this file in other window >=20 > You are entitled to your opinion, but others might disagree. =20 For one thing, it would be debatable just what file or dir info to show in the echo area. However, this is what Dired+ uses, in place of that echo text, if `describe-file' is also available (library `help-fns+.el'): mouse-1: visit in another window, C-h RET: describe `C-h RET' then gives you info about the file/dir in *Help*: z:/dir/for/foobar/stuff/ ------------------------ File Type: Normal file Permissions: -rw-rw-rw- Size in bytes: 809215 Time of last access: Sat Dec 5 10:02:55 2020 (Pacific Standard Tim= e) Time of last modification: Sat Dec 5 10:02:55 2020 (Pacific Standard Tim= e) Time of last status change: Sat Dec 5 09:27:17 2020 (Pacific Standard Tim= e) Number of links: 1 User ID (UID): 37786 Group ID (GID): 513 Inode: 2814749767263948 Device number: 315267003 And if the file is the name of an autofile bookmark (library `Bookmark+'), then it also shows the bookmark information (tags etc.): Bookmark `foobar.el' -------------------- File:=09=09foobar.el Directory:=09=09z:/dir/for/foobar/stuff/ Position:=09=090 Tags: "blue" "white" There's only so much info that can be usefully put in a help echo. Info about possible actions (keys, mouse events) _is_ helpful, IMO, even if in some cases that info might be standard/trivial. If some of those keys or mouse actions provide help, however, that's a good to make help available, and it's not limited to the echo-area space.