From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "B. T. Raven" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Behavior of M-x and A-x Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 11:54:31 -0500 Message-ID: References: <9cb65794-fa18-4a0e-9a82-27e85923038a@v26g2000prm.googlegroups.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1218562845 27773 80.91.229.12 (12 Aug 2008 17:40:45 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 17:40:45 +0000 (UTC) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Aug 12 19:41:37 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1KSxsE-000186-Bk for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 12 Aug 2008 19:41:34 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:60398 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KSxrI-0005zq-3c for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 12 Aug 2008 13:40:36 -0400 Original-Path: news.stanford.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews.google.com!news2.google.com!Xl.tags.giganews.com!border1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!local02.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.sysmatrix.net!news.sysmatrix.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Original-NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 11:54:28 -0500 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) Original-Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help In-Reply-To: Original-Lines: 54 X-Usenet-Provider: http://www.giganews.com Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 65.45.140.82 Original-X-Trace: sv3-rIuIxAtzpm7zaPmOfMQq6UpdDdb+uKtPmpD0oUloYdfQccMD0LrlA6eHI+u979ADv1KyuWxyDkPZU9Y!I6xAEs2sRdxmBhSjQK9VQ8cBA9vB5U30RRDbAAmh9AB3cGrdMjy9c+YIBktDMyvAzl3SU0AmY5ag!EFWfFUVYZFp8hMMNqocYYDp8oEFdUA== Original-X-Complaints-To: abuse@sysmatrix.net X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.3.39 Original-Xref: news.stanford.edu gnu.emacs.help:161170 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:56514 Archived-At: Lennart Borgman (gmail) wrote: > B. T. Raven wrote: >> Lennart Borgman (gmail) wrote: >>> Xah wrote: >>>> ; setting the PC keyboard's various keys to Super or Hyper >>>> (setq w32-pass-lwindow-to-system nil >>>> w32-pass-rwindow-to-system nil >>>> w32-pass-apps-to-system nil >>>> w32-lwindow-modifier 'super ;; Left Windows key >>>> w32-rwindow-modifier 'super ;; Right Windows key >>>> w32-apps-modifier 'hyper) ;; Menu key >>> >>> >>> Please note that using lwindow/rwindow like this does not work for >>> all key sequences unless you are using the patched Emacs+EmacsW32. >>> >>> >> >> Could you give me an example of this, Lennart. I use Keytweak (and >> rearranged keycaps for Dvorak and a bilaterally symmetrical modifier >> key layout [bottom row: super alt ctl spacebar ctl alt super hyper] >> and I haven't run into any problems with it yet. I am not using >> EmacsW32 although I have had it installed in the past. The only things >> that get through from the OS when I'm in Emacs are Alt-Tab and >> Ctl-Alt-Delete. > > > I do not remember very well any longer since I use the patched version > where this can not happen (if you tell Emacs to protect you from it). > However it could happen with any of those lwindow/rwindow combinations > that MS Window uses. I know I first noticed it with lwindow-e. > > Though it might depend on other things too. The only thing I know is > that it is not guaranteed to work at all if you are not using the > patches I have in Emacs+EmacsW32. (I mean accordning to the specs from MS.) > > If you want to know more then look at MS for LowLevelKeyboardProc. > > That is why I have those patches. And by the way those part of the > patches does not change Emacs way of workin in any other way. They work > on a lower level that the rest of Emacs does not see. > > If I remember correctly now there is however no guaranteed way at all to > stop Alt-Tab and Ctl-Alt-Delete from working. Thanks again. Besides S-e, S- r,f,m, and d, both right and left, also raise the OS. That should be easy to remember. Since I don't want to bother disabling those keychords I will make a virtue of necessity and consider the behavior to be a feature rather than a bug. These reserved keys almost make a mnemonic: R(T)FM, DummEe ;-) Ed