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From: Drew Adams <drew.adams@oracle.com>
To: "martin rudalics" <rudalics@gmx.at>,
	"Kévin Le Gouguec" <kevin.legouguec@gmail.com>
Cc: 35564@debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: bug#35564: 27.0.50; [PATCH] Tweak dired-do-shell-command warning about "wildcard" characters
Date: Thu, 9 May 2019 13:04:24 -0700 (PDT)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <ab136991-95ef-42a1-8b42-edaa8f582413@default> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <e991a50d-6231-b2ba-06d4-084f4a6a9996@gmx.at>

>  >> But I'm afraid we'll have to stick to what we have now.
>  >
>  > Why?  Not sure what you mean.
> 
> I mean that it won't be easy to convince others that we need a new
> face for propertizing prompts.

Why assume that?  Who needs to be convinced?

If we can't have a new face for this then I'd like
to see non-minibuffer prompting have no face at all,
by default.

>  > I would prefer that the two be separated.  Tooltip text
>  > is quite different from prompts in use cases and behavior.
> 
> They are similar in the following aspect: Both prompts and tooltips
> are often displayed using toolkit functions.

That sounds like an implementation thing, not a user-level thing.

And as I said, `x-show-tooltip' has no problem with
showing propertized text.

> GTK tooltips are by
> default not propertized because the system doesn't accept any face
> properties for them.  If Emacs used balloon tooltips on Windows,
> propertizing them would not be possible either.  And both 'y-or-n-p'
> and 'yes-or-no-p', when implemented via dialog popups, don't adopt our
> text properties either.

Oh, so `x-show-tooltip' only supports properties on
some platforms (e.g. MS Windows)?  If so, that's
unfortunate.

Yes, I don't expect window-dialogs to respect
propertized text.  Again, unfortunate - but livable.

> The question is now whether an application should accept the uniform
> appearance of such objects as prescribed by the toolkit used and as
> such obey the toolkit's look-and-feel or insist to use its own
> implementations.  Emacs leaves that choice to its users.  Which means
> that users are told things like "if you want this mode to behave as
> intended, you have to customize variables like 'use-dialog-box' or
> 'x-gtk-use-system-tooltips'".  Nothing bad with that, but some users
> might be uncertain whether they should agree.  In particular when such
> an option affects all sorts of tooltips or prompts.

Got it; thx.

I would like to see Emacs allow, when possible, Emacsy
things as much as possible.  But I can understand that
there can be some tradeoffs.





  reply	other threads:[~2019-05-09 20:04 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 76+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2019-05-04 18:01 bug#35564: 27.0.50; [PATCH] Tweak dired-do-shell-command warning about "wildcard" characters Kévin Le Gouguec
2019-05-05  8:44 ` martin rudalics
2019-05-06 19:40   ` Kévin Le Gouguec
2019-05-07  8:15     ` martin rudalics
2019-05-07 13:19       ` Drew Adams
2019-05-08 20:42         ` Kévin Le Gouguec
2019-05-08 22:39           ` Drew Adams
2019-05-09  8:13           ` martin rudalics
2019-05-09 14:17             ` Drew Adams
2019-05-09 17:51               ` martin rudalics
2019-05-09 20:04                 ` Drew Adams [this message]
2019-06-09 11:08 ` bug#35564: [PATCH v2] Tweak dired " Kévin Le Gouguec
2019-06-12 12:23   ` Noam Postavsky
2019-06-12 14:29     ` Stefan Monnier
2019-06-13  6:19     ` Kévin Le Gouguec
2019-06-13  7:58       ` Stefan Monnier
2019-06-13 16:53       ` npostavs
2019-06-18  8:52         ` Kévin Le Gouguec
2019-06-19  0:12           ` Noam Postavsky
2019-06-26  6:16   ` bug#35564: [PATCH v3] " Kévin Le Gouguec
2019-06-26 13:27     ` Drew Adams
2019-06-27  5:58       ` Kévin Le Gouguec
2019-06-26 14:33     ` Stefan Monnier
2019-06-27  6:15       ` Kévin Le Gouguec
2019-06-27 23:31     ` Noam Postavsky
2019-06-28  6:15       ` Kévin Le Gouguec
2019-06-28 15:35         ` Drew Adams
2019-06-28 17:58           ` Kévin Le Gouguec
2019-06-28 18:43             ` Drew Adams
2019-06-29 13:48               ` Noam Postavsky
2019-06-29 14:30                 ` Drew Adams
2019-06-29 14:13               ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-07-03 19:47     ` bug#35564: [PATCH v4] " Kévin Le Gouguec
2019-07-12 15:10       ` Kévin Le Gouguec
2019-07-27 11:20         ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-07-27 17:26           ` Kévin Le Gouguec
2019-07-27 22:22             ` Michael Heerdegen
2019-07-29  3:29               ` Michael Heerdegen
2019-07-29 18:11                 ` Juri Linkov
2019-07-29 19:01                 ` Kévin Le Gouguec
2019-08-02  5:26                   ` Michael Heerdegen
2019-08-08 10:40                     ` Kévin Le Gouguec
2019-08-08 21:06                       ` Juri Linkov
2019-08-09 12:43                         ` Kévin Le Gouguec
2019-08-09 18:03                           ` Juri Linkov
2019-08-15 20:56                           ` Juri Linkov
2019-08-19  4:55                             ` Kévin Le Gouguec
2019-07-27 22:03           ` Basil L. Contovounesios
2019-07-27 23:32             ` Kévin Le Gouguec
2019-07-27 23:41               ` Basil L. Contovounesios
2019-10-10 18:45       ` bug#35564: [PATCH v5] " Kévin Le Gouguec
2019-10-22 15:10         ` Kévin Le Gouguec
2019-10-22 16:58           ` Michael Heerdegen
2019-10-22 21:32             ` Kévin Le Gouguec
2019-11-10 20:29               ` Juri Linkov
2019-11-14  7:02                 ` Kévin Le Gouguec
2019-11-16 20:23                   ` Juri Linkov
2019-10-22 20:43           ` Juri Linkov
2019-10-22 21:11             ` Kévin Le Gouguec
2019-10-27 21:40               ` Juri Linkov
2019-10-30 21:59                 ` Juri Linkov
2019-11-04  6:36                   ` Kévin Le Gouguec
2019-11-05 22:22                     ` Juri Linkov
2019-11-07 22:17                       ` Juri Linkov
2019-11-10 20:18                         ` Juri Linkov
2019-12-18  7:11         ` Kévin Le Gouguec
2019-12-19 22:01           ` Juri Linkov
2019-12-20  8:53             ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-12-20 20:34               ` Kévin Le Gouguec
2019-12-21  7:08                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-12-22 16:02                   ` Kévin Le Gouguec
2019-12-20 20:43             ` Kévin Le Gouguec
2019-12-21  7:08               ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-09-20 11:42                 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2020-09-20 12:04                   ` Kévin Le Gouguec
2020-09-20 12:18                     ` Lars Ingebrigtsen

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