From: Dmitry Gutov <dgutov@yandex.ru>
To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>, Stefan Kangas <stefankangas@gmail.com>
Cc: luangruo@yahoo.com, drew.adams@oracle.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Platform independent graphical display for Emacs
Date: Sat, 25 Dec 2021 02:30:25 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <aaba4a68-d388-2259-1616-b599e580264f@yandex.ru> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <83y24asbh4.fsf@gnu.org>
On 24.12.2021 10:33, Eli Zaretskii wrote:
>> That said, all of this would obviously be a lot of work and until and
>> unless someone starts such work this is all rather academic.
> Not only that, I'd hesitate to accept such a contribution, because its
> long-term maintenance would most probably be a constant burden,
How it that different from a BeOS port, or a PGTK port, or etc? Where
the general policy has been (I think?) that we accept such contributions
as long as there interest from the author in maintaining it, and some
probable interest the users.
I would hate to discourage someone from taking the initiative a trying
to create a better "no-toolkit" port which supports font scaling, for
example. And also some existing interface details which people mentioned
before (customize widgets, popups, tabs, scroll bars), which are
currently not very well integrated with the existing toolkits, in a more
organic way. Better performance would help, too (like child frames are
faster on older ports than on GTK3 one).
> and if
> the person(s) who develop such a "native" toolkit go on to greener
> pastures, we will be left with an unmaintained subsystem.
Worst-case scenario, we'd just have to drop that "port", wouldn't we?
> So I don't think it is a good idea for Emacs to develop its own
> toolkit. We should use what's out there.
Like some people said previously, Emacs feels similar in spirit to
another popular FLOSS project: Blender. Community of professionals,
keyboard-driven interface, power and customizability.
Blender never used an existing GUI toolkit. And I think it looks pretty
good (even though I hope it has grown a light-bg theme by now):
https://docs.blender.org/manual/en/latest/_images/editors_preferences_section_interface.png
https://b3d.interplanety.org/wp-content/upload_content/2016/09/01-4.jpg
Of course, the Blender community is much larger and better funded, but
OTOH the number of different UI elements we'd need to support is much
smaller as well.
And we could tap into some existing community talent by having a lot of
the UI logic implemented in Lisp. Similarly to how a number of recent
web browser projects have their UIs implemented with JS+HTML.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2021-12-25 0:30 UTC|newest]
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2021-12-22 19:19 Motif support xenodasein--- via Emacs development discussions.
2021-12-22 19:35 ` Arthur Miller
2021-12-22 19:37 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-12-22 20:24 ` Óscar Fuentes
2021-12-23 6:42 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-12-23 7:58 ` Arthur Miller
2021-12-23 8:55 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-12-23 11:46 ` Arthur Miller
2021-12-23 11:52 ` Po Lu
2021-12-23 12:43 ` Arthur Miller
2021-12-23 12:52 ` Po Lu
2021-12-23 17:35 ` Arthur Miller
2021-12-24 0:38 ` Po Lu
2021-12-24 1:17 ` xenodasein--- via Emacs development discussions.
2021-12-24 1:24 ` Po Lu
2021-12-24 1:37 ` xenodasein--- via Emacs development discussions.
2021-12-24 7:24 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-12-24 8:06 ` xenodasein--- via Emacs development discussions.
2021-12-24 8:24 ` Stefan Kangas
2021-12-24 8:37 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-12-24 2:20 ` Stefan Kangas
2021-12-24 2:43 ` Po Lu
2021-12-24 2:59 ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2021-12-24 3:17 ` xenodasein--- via Emacs development discussions.
2021-12-24 3:26 ` Po Lu
2021-12-24 3:36 ` xenodasein--- via Emacs development discussions.
2021-12-24 7:27 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-12-24 4:30 ` Platform independent graphical display for Emacs Stefan Kangas
2021-12-24 4:44 ` Po Lu
2021-12-24 6:28 ` Stefan Kangas
2021-12-24 6:43 ` Po Lu
2021-12-24 5:24 ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2021-12-24 7:33 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-12-24 8:10 ` xenodasein--- via Emacs development discussions.
2021-12-24 8:41 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-12-24 8:48 ` xenodasein--- via Emacs development discussions.
2021-12-25 0:30 ` Dmitry Gutov [this message]
2021-12-25 7:25 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-12-25 11:23 ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-12-25 11:38 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-12-25 11:57 ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-12-25 12:06 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-12-25 12:59 ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-12-25 13:08 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-12-25 12:06 ` Po Lu
2021-12-25 13:08 ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-12-25 13:36 ` Po Lu
2021-12-25 12:20 ` Óscar Fuentes
2021-12-25 12:29 ` Po Lu
2021-12-25 12:49 ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-12-25 12:54 ` Po Lu
2021-12-25 13:03 ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-12-25 13:07 ` Po Lu
2021-12-25 13:09 ` Óscar Fuentes
2021-12-25 13:20 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-12-25 14:08 ` Óscar Fuentes
2021-12-25 14:36 ` Eli Zaretskii
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2021-12-25 13:44 ` xenodasein--- via Emacs development discussions.
2021-12-25 12:37 ` Eli Zaretskii
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2021-12-25 11:51 ` Po Lu
2021-12-25 13:24 ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-12-25 13:31 ` Po Lu
2021-12-25 14:14 ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-12-25 14:30 ` Óscar Fuentes
2021-12-26 1:12 ` Po Lu
2021-12-26 1:51 ` Stefan Kangas
2021-12-26 1:56 ` Po Lu
2021-12-24 9:55 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-12-24 10:02 ` Po Lu
2021-12-24 10:16 ` Stephen Berman
2021-12-24 10:54 ` xenodasein--- via Emacs development discussions.
2021-12-24 11:07 ` Po Lu
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2021-12-24 11:31 ` Po Lu
2021-12-24 11:39 ` xenodasein--- via Emacs development discussions.
2021-12-24 12:08 ` Po Lu
2021-12-24 12:22 ` xenodasein--- via Emacs development discussions.
2021-12-24 12:27 ` Po Lu
2021-12-24 12:57 ` xenodasein--- via Emacs development discussions.
2021-12-24 13:09 ` Po Lu
2021-12-24 14:27 ` xenodasein--- via Emacs development discussions.
2021-12-24 16:05 ` martin rudalics
2021-12-25 0:22 ` Po Lu
2021-12-25 9:18 ` martin rudalics
2021-12-25 9:42 ` Po Lu
2021-12-26 8:25 ` martin rudalics
2021-12-26 10:16 ` Po Lu
2021-12-24 11:45 ` Óscar Fuentes
2021-12-24 12:02 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-12-24 13:19 ` Óscar Fuentes
2021-12-24 13:26 ` Po Lu
2021-12-24 14:00 ` Óscar Fuentes
2021-12-25 0:20 ` Po Lu
2021-12-25 0:47 ` Óscar Fuentes
2021-12-25 0:57 ` Po Lu
2021-12-25 3:24 ` Jose A. Ortega Ruiz
2021-12-25 5:03 ` Po Lu
2021-12-25 5:12 ` Jose Antonio Ortega Ruiz
2021-12-25 5:23 ` Po Lu
2021-12-25 6:57 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-12-25 9:18 ` martin rudalics
2021-12-25 5:41 ` LdBeth
2021-12-25 5:51 ` Po Lu
2021-12-24 13:42 ` Eli Zaretskii
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2021-12-24 11:50 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-12-25 12:45 ` xenodasein--- via Emacs development discussions.
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