From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Terje Bless Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: The minibuffer vs. Dialog Boxes (Re: Making XEmacs be more up-to-date) Date: Sat, 20 Apr 2002 13:03:10 +0200 Sender: emacs-devel-admin@gnu.org Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1019301233 3114 127.0.0.1 (20 Apr 2002 11:13:53 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 20 Apr 2002 11:13:53 +0000 (UTC) Cc: xemacs-design@xemacs.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org Return-path: Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.224.244]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1 (Debian)) id 16ysoT-0000o7-00 for ; Sat, 20 Apr 2002 13:13:53 +0200 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([199.232.76.164]) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 16yt8H-0003sE-00 for ; Sat, 20 Apr 2002 13:34:21 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=fencepost.gnu.org) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1 (Debian)) id 16ysnu-00025V-00; Sat, 20 Apr 2002 07:13:18 -0400 Original-Received: from mail.wavelan.no ([217.144.228.111] helo=isa) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1 (Debian)) id 16ysl3-0001jU-00 for ; Sat, 20 Apr 2002 07:10:21 -0400 Original-Received: from [217.144.228.69] by isa (ArGoSoft Mail Server Pro for WinNT/2000/XP, Version 1.8 (1.8.1.1)); Sat, 20 Apr 2002 13:12:21 +0200 Original-To: Brady Montz X-Priority: 3 In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Mailsmith Prerelease (Blindsider) Errors-To: emacs-devel-admin@gnu.org X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.9 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Emacs development discussions. List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:2828 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:2828 Brady Montz wrote: >3. we have a nice set of tools for managing which files/buffers you >have open and how to switch between them: ibuffer, iswitchb, various >things like desktop.el, speedbar, buffer-menu, ... I've been using XEmacs for programming since the early nineties. I _still_ have no clue how to switch between buffers from the keyboard! I keep going to the Buffers menu and selecting the one I want. In my "other editor" -- BBEdit on Mac OS X; solidly planted in GUI land -- I /can/ switch between buffers from the keyboard. Odd that, considering how "keyboard-oriented" XEmacs is, and how "GUI oriented" BBEdit is... And speaking of which, the thing that confused me most over the years was the terminology. A "buffer" is a "document" and a "frame" is a "window"? Why do I have to choose "New Frame" when what I /really/ want is a new window? And I don't work with "buffers"; I work with "files" or "documents". "Buffers" are something hardware /has/ or that I implement in code, it's not something I work with day-to-day. I think "fixing" these things would go a long way towards making XEmacs more friendly to that great majority of people who do /not/ spend their entire lives inside (X)Emacs. Then again, they might utterly break it for those that do... :-) -- By definition there is __no_way__ any problem can be my fault. Any problems you think you can find in my code are all in your imagination. If you continue with such derranged imaginings then I may be forced to perform corrective brain surgery... with an axe. -- Stephen Harris