From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Brady Montz Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: The minibuffer vs. Dialog Boxes (Re: Making XEmacs be more up-to-date) Date: 19 Apr 2002 13:39:01 -0700 Sender: emacs-devel-admin@gnu.org Message-ID: References: <4.3.2.7.2.20020419095654.00bee3c0@san-francisco.beasys.com> <4.3.2.7.2.20020417123512.0398e4c8@san-francisco.beasys.com> <4.3.2.7.2.20020419095654.00bee3c0@san-francisco.beasys.com> <4.3.2.7.2.20020419132421.00bfa9d0@san-francisco.beasys.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1019248975 15776 127.0.0.1 (19 Apr 2002 20:42:55 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2002 20:42:55 +0000 (UTC) Return-path: Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.224.244]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1 (Debian)) id 16yfDb-00046L-00 for ; Fri, 19 Apr 2002 22:42:55 +0200 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([199.232.76.164]) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 16yfX7-0001Iv-00 for ; Fri, 19 Apr 2002 23:03:05 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=fencepost.gnu.org) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1 (Debian)) id 16yfDC-0004r8-00; Fri, 19 Apr 2002 16:42:30 -0400 Original-Received: from c64-255-216-95.sea1.cablespeed.com ([64.255.216.95] helo=sandman.balestra.org) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1 (Debian)) id 16yf9r-0004V1-00 for ; Fri, 19 Apr 2002 16:39:03 -0400 Original-Received: (from bradym@localhost) by sandman.balestra.org (8.10.2/8.10.2) id g3JKd1403290; Fri, 19 Apr 2002 13:39:01 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: sandman.balestra.org: bradym set sender to bradym@balestra.org using -f Original-To: xemacs-design@xemacs.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.2.20020419132421.00bfa9d0@san-francisco.beasys.com> Original-Lines: 31 User-Agent: Gnus/5.0808 (Gnus v5.8.8) XEmacs/21.5 (bamboo) Errors-To: emacs-devel-admin@gnu.org X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.9 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Emacs development discussions. List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:2810 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:2810 Andy Piper writes: > At 12:01 PM 4/19/02 -0700, Brady Montz wrote: > >That's the impression I'd gotten. I haven't yet had the chance to take > >a look at it. > > > >Am I mistaken that the differences between gtk and other native > >graphics code is exposed to lisp? That is, the lisp widget library > >knows about them? > > In general this is incorrect, the same lisp code works on Windows, GTK, Motif > and Athena. However, its fair to say that some things are more fully > implemented on some platforms than others. OK. > Bill's comments about geometry managers while true for X-variants > and Java do not apply to Windows. So I am pessmistic about attempts > to push more of the work out to the widgets. I certainly do not > believe that we should start using GTK etc on windows to solve this > problem. I think Netscape's 6 use of non-windows widgets is a > disaster since it makes the application a) very bloated and b) not > look like a windows app. And then you get the laughable situation on MacOS X where mozilla doesn't use the native widgets, but has a theme attempting to duplicate their look and feel. Talk about duplicated effort! -- Brady Montz bradym@balestra.org