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From: Drew Adams <drew.adams@oracle.com>
To: Paul Eggert <eggert@cs.ucla.edu>,
	Yuri Khan <yuri.v.khan@gmail.com>,
	Random832 <random832@fastmail.com>
Cc: Emacs developers <emacs-devel@gnu.org>
Subject: RE: ASCII-only startup message?
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2015 10:00:39 -0800 (PST)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <a99b229b-a21d-4038-b05f-df073f7f3aad@default> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <5682BD46.3000108@cs.ucla.edu>

> As for UTF-8 “conquering the world”; obviously it hasn’t done that yet, and
> Emacs will need to support legacy encodings for quite some time. That being
> said, recent surveys from W3Techs continues to show steady growth for UTF-8
> on the Web, with 86% of websites currently using UTF-8 (up from 82% a year
> ago).  All other encodings are declining in use, or at best remaining
> constant to within the stated precision of measurement (e.g., EUC-KR at 0.4%).
> 
> http://w3techs.com/technologies/history_overview/character_encoding

It's not just about what proportion of websites use UTF-8.
Emacs is not a website.  We are not redesigning a website.

There are plenty of problems that other _editing_ applications
have with things like Unicode apostrophe/quotation characters.

Such problems promise to be at least as great for Emacs, where
"editing" means so much more than it does for something like
MS Word.

Most importantly, there is _no hurry_ to force Unicode
apostrophes and other problematic choices on Emacs users.
Emacs already supports the use of Unicode fully by _users_.

User choice is primary in Emacs.  Trying to nail down now,
once and for all, as a  design-time decision, is a crazy
form of premature conformance - overengineering.

_Wait and see_ more about how Emacs users use Unicode and
what they want and expect.

_Wait and see_ more about how other editing systems deal
with the problematic issues, such as handling of spelling,
search, etc. wrt things like apostrophes.

There is _no hurry_ to cast this stuff in bronze.
Unicode is great.  But there is no need to go over the
kool-aid top on this regrooving.



  reply	other threads:[~2015-12-29 18:00 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 62+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-12-26 17:25 ASCII-only startup message? Paul Eggert
2015-12-26 18:16 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-12-26 18:41   ` Random832
2015-12-26 18:50     ` Paul Eggert
2015-12-26 19:11       ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-12-26 19:01     ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-12-26 18:45   ` Paul Eggert
2015-12-26 19:10     ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-12-26 19:40       ` Paul Eggert
2015-12-26 20:50         ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-12-26 23:28           ` Paul Eggert
2015-12-27  0:17             ` Drew Adams
2015-12-27  1:03               ` Clément Pit--Claudel
2015-12-27  2:51                 ` Drew Adams
2015-12-27  1:09               ` Paul Eggert
2015-12-27 15:56                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-12-27 18:45                   ` Paul Eggert
2015-12-27  6:58               ` Random832
2015-12-27 14:17                 ` Per Starbäck
2015-12-27 14:55                   ` Drew Adams
2015-12-27 16:35                     ` Per Starbäck
2015-12-27 17:42                       ` Drew Adams
2015-12-27 19:27                         ` Per Starbäck
2015-12-27 22:47                           ` Drew Adams
2015-12-27 23:45                             ` Per Starbäck
2015-12-28  2:01                               ` Drew Adams
2015-12-28  5:51                                 ` Random832
2015-12-28 10:09                                   ` Drew Adams
2015-12-28  6:05                                 ` Per Starbäck
2015-12-28 10:13                                   ` Drew Adams
2015-12-28  9:12                                 ` Nikolai Weibull
2015-12-28 10:15                                   ` Drew Adams
2015-12-28 14:59                                     ` Nikolai Weibull
2015-12-28 18:39                                       ` Drew Adams
2015-12-29  9:06                                       ` Alan Mackenzie
2015-12-28  9:37                             ` Paul Eggert
2015-12-28 10:16                               ` Drew Adams
2015-12-29  7:05                                 ` Random832
2015-12-29  8:01                                   ` Yuri Khan
2015-12-29 14:38                                     ` Random832
2015-12-29 15:58                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-12-29 17:05                                     ` Paul Eggert
2015-12-29 18:00                                       ` Drew Adams [this message]
2015-12-29 18:16                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-12-29 19:24                                         ` Paul Eggert
2015-12-29 15:55                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-12-29 17:40                                   ` Drew Adams
2015-12-28 16:31                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-12-27  3:44             ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-12-27  8:12               ` Nikolai Weibull
2015-12-28 20:04               ` John Wiegley
2015-12-29  6:50                 ` Richard Stallman
2015-12-29 16:55                   ` John Wiegley
2015-12-29 17:30                     ` Paul Eggert
2015-12-29 18:18                       ` Drew Adams
2016-01-01 13:29                       ` Marcin Borkowski
2016-01-01 17:48                         ` John Wiegley
2016-01-01 17:50                           ` John Wiegley
2016-01-02  8:14                           ` Paul Eggert
2015-12-29 15:05                 ` Random832
2015-12-29 16:49                   ` John Wiegley
     [not found]                 ` <<n5u7gn$6vh$1@ger.gmane.org>
2015-12-29 17:46                   ` Drew Adams
     [not found] <<567ECD8C.1070408@cs.ucla.edu>

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