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On 08/15/2012 07:34 PM, Barry Margolin wrote:
 > In article <a926tjFeslU1@mid.individual.net>,
 >   Raffaele Ricciardi <rfflrccrd@gmail.com> wrote:
 >
 >> Hello there,
 >>
 >> the documentation of `thing-at-point' states that such function 
returns "the
 >> thing around or next to point".  This is not the case with either
 >> (thing-at-point
 >> 'symbol) or (thing-at-point 'sexp), for they both may return the thing
 >> before
 >> point.  Try it with the following snippet (! symbolizes the point):
 >
 > Doesn't "next to" include both immediately before and immediately after?

I stand corrected after having consulted a dictionary.  Then it is
(thing-at-point 'list) that is misbehaving.

 >
 >>
 >> A!
 >> (A)!
 >>
 >> On the contrary, (bounds-of-thing-at-point 'list) returns nil as
 >> expected in this
 >> snippet:
 >>
 >> (A)!
 >>
 >> Is this inconsistent behaviour or am I missing something?
 >>
 >> Tested on GNU Emacs 24.1 started with "emacs -Q".
 >>
 >> Thank you.
 >
 > I think this is a problem with the thing-at-point handler for 'list.
 > It's doing some weird stuff, that I think is intended to distinguide
 > lists from sexps.

Aren't lists sexps as well?