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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:309466 Archived-At: On 29/08/2023 04:52, Richard Stallman wrote: > > clojure-mode is an existing package with thousands (tens of thousands? > > millions?) users and certain existing functionality. Other (also > > third-party) packages rely on it for various functionality. It's not a > > bare-bones major mode with basic functionality only. > > This underscores my point: clojure-mode is an important feature, so > Emacs should provide it. It should be a full-fledged part of Emacs, > documented in Emacs. To leave these jobs to nonrecommended add-ons, > such as found in NonGNU-ELPA, is not doing a good job. > > We hope that Emacs users who write extensions will appreciate Emacs > enough to contribute them to Emacs. Usually they do. When they > don't, that's unfortunate -- but we can make up for it. It isn't an > lot of work compared with all the work we do on Emacs in a year. It's an important feature for an existing ecosystem of packages whose authors chose to develop and distribute them the way they did. Hijacking the name, at the very least, would bring a lot of problems.