From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: =?UTF-8?Q?Cl=c3=a9ment_Pit-Claudel?= Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Ctrl-[ ? Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2019 11:33:56 -0400 Message-ID: References: <08AC8151-5911-40FA-8B20-818B839D00AB@traduction-libre.org> <6F55E018-B15E-42B0-8794-21F55BBA23D3@traduction-libre.org> <34E3289C-10EE-4A23-AEE4-80D984DB2EDE@gnu.org> <6A538FF9-94C8-491D-B1B9-5C0D09FE7C39@acm.org> <838suesw93.fsf@gnu.org> <3580dbb9-73a8-d26a-5466-5799e3726c34@gmail.com> <83tvd2rd8b.fsf@gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Info: blaine.gmane.org; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:195.159.176.226"; logging-data="35181"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@blaine.gmane.org" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.7.0 Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Jun 06 17:34:46 2019 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1hYuPd-00091m-8s for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 06 Jun 2019 17:34:45 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:34032 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1hYuPb-00045I-KR for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 06 Jun 2019 11:34:43 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:42149) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1hYuOt-000450-Ta for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 06 Jun 2019 11:34:00 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1hYuOs-0002oo-Ut for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 06 Jun 2019 11:33:59 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-qt1-x836.google.com ([2607:f8b0:4864:20::836]:37397) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1hYuOs-0002nR-OG; Thu, 06 Jun 2019 11:33:58 -0400 Original-Received: by mail-qt1-x836.google.com with SMTP id y57so3170157qtk.4; Thu, 06 Jun 2019 08:33:58 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=subject:to:cc:references:from:message-id:date:user-agent :mime-version:in-reply-to:content-language:content-transfer-encoding; bh=ET3ckZxwWGe9N0nNDZ63KZp2haElNHr0dNlyrVLhh9w=; b=p1R+gqao5dDzb5N4i2BjTgKBSveJxHPl2edOHU6HT1iETvKDbnDPop+GP2kCU4MSI5 jToEsloYJXG75+QerAOpCLhOiqJCft5et9ffD9+1chLxKoY4pKSbSMj2iM9doTHjhvdK UJDVt8gCYeQxhhXlCBIaQNWWraLFGiTcxdSIkBPDcfLI2sPKjr55qVQ0rDLcbDYvpueH HSEOVrIjn2tuF83z9Ky4EzVUsk/hjnqYwNERjhwaN6eO1X03UDBHTltiduGgXtLcXbRF gmLtLEGRQcHlLtaRXbPApAre2xjX4qIObw4lllvWsZCeCG+o0ZEVH2/UmzjyIa9bU0wL mVmA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:subject:to:cc:references:from:message-id:date :user-agent:mime-version:in-reply-to:content-language :content-transfer-encoding; bh=ET3ckZxwWGe9N0nNDZ63KZp2haElNHr0dNlyrVLhh9w=; b=XNn08PeXYfU0JTChMAMeWYwa0DWfLQT7A7rrmfn2JEY08IUbjVK/ygDkMSKOwliV56 fAwIMBN8DgpoqxAi+kXIiPFyvkkbX8qZPto0GT5xN8Q4gEcMHhBJT+MSuTfLM4lZJOYb RIcHf0vJKXBNsa6cPIRYOCcpDlbjr3MK9HshteukyqnucgiztjNodGrBZWqiceESM1+9 PrfQM7wsrF24jLpOrHnb/sB0vZ0nztnITuqxhjUXFmOk/itZv2GfUutntMVa+bzZ5FSY 8KgcXBU1ZTGgAt9ES7Fo+KWlqv3FIa+tSK1zVMkHMpFqBlJE8SrTSvV25OW+lgbO4AC5 WUiA== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAUXpxSc0wh9OyJQRuOUkKiGtnuwNcQVdEx28NqOIGymAfkkvWFd 8zwGd8Jn9VNnsxXvLNXom1rgcKHW X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqyLdW6186SQzer2rqlIVCH74fbRwKQAwJG5SwIumxKqJdefstNaoQxfDUgRhD1j2kVwwaNUZg== X-Received: by 2002:ac8:6895:: with SMTP id m21mr26096176qtq.295.1559835237956; Thu, 06 Jun 2019 08:33:57 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: from ?IPv6:2601:184:4180:66e7:7daf:bcaa:4202:32c? ([2601:184:4180:66e7:7daf:bcaa:4202:32c]) by smtp.googlemail.com with ESMTPSA id y8sm1366998qth.22.2019.06.06.08.33.57 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Thu, 06 Jun 2019 08:33:57 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <83tvd2rd8b.fsf@gnu.org> Content-Language: en-GB X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 2607:f8b0:4864:20::836 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:237292 Archived-At: On 2019-06-06 10:37, Eli Zaretskii wrote: >> From: Clément Pit-Claudel >> Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2019 09:26:54 -0400 >> >>> Why is it useful to have different behavior on GUI and TTY frames? >> >> It's not so much that it's useful to have different behavior; rather, there are limitations that only TTY frames suffer from, and if you mostly or always use GUI frames, it's nice not to suffer from these limitations. > > That's not the same. C-[ being the same as ESC is very basic, like > C-g, so having to remember that it might not work on GUI frames would > be a PITA at least for me. > >> So I guess keeping a consistent experience in TTY and GUI frames isn't as important for me as improving the experience in GUI frames. > > IMO, being able to bind C-[ to something else is not an important > feature, not enough to break the compatibility. But that's me. I don't have a strong opinion :) I very seldom have to use an Emacs with someone else's config, so I wouldn't be bothered if the option existed to rebind C-[ to something different from ESC. By the way, is there a way to change what ESC does? If so, GUI users could just bind to esc-map and ESC to something else.