From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Dmitry Gutov Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Is it time to drop ChangeLogs? 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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:201102 Archived-At: On 03/08/2016 01:24 AM, Karl Fogel wrote: > Dmitry Gutov writes: >> On 03/08/2016 12:24 AM, Karl Fogel wrote: >>> I looked again -- who are these "many"? >> >> ESR, Óscar, Andy. Maybe others. >> Also John, of course. The Emacs Maintainer one. > > Uh, hmm. We are having some sort of miscommunication. I can't figure out what it is, because I expressed myself as precisely as I can -- and when I look at their messages, in this thread and the related thread, what they're saying is compatible with what I described them as saying. You're saying everyone agrees to at least continue including Change Log entries in commit messages. The persons above are counter-examples.