From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Xah Lee Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: How to get rid of *GNU Emacs* buffer on start-up? Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2008 18:59:51 -0700 (PDT) Organization: http://groups.google.com Message-ID: References: <823901dd-c54c-4e3b-b6ad-512d52724a46@z11g2000prl.googlegroups.com> <87ljxoffs6.fsf@atthis.clsnet.nl> <2868c8db-ff02-4d67-9e80-4cf323086ca3@l33g2000pri.googlegroups.com> <551c1987-57cc-410e-a81a-51ee96f3387d@g17g2000prg.googlegroups.com> <87vdwmwv2a.fsf@jehiel.elehack.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1222224051 12423 80.91.229.12 (24 Sep 2008 02:40:51 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2008 02:40:51 +0000 (UTC) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Sep 24 04:41:47 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1KiKK1-0001ZU-Qy for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 24 Sep 2008 04:41:46 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:44235 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KiKIz-0003db-RI for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 23 Sep 2008 22:40:41 -0400 Original-Path: news.stanford.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews.google.com!p31g2000prf.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail Original-Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help Original-Lines: 86 Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.6.185.159 Original-X-Trace: posting.google.com 1222221591 28950 127.0.0.1 (24 Sep 2008 01:59:51 GMT) Original-X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Original-NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2008 01:59:51 +0000 (UTC) Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: p31g2000prf.googlegroups.com; posting-host=24.6.185.159; posting-account=qPxGtQkAAADb6PWdLGiWVucht1ZDR6fn User-Agent: G2/1.0 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X 10_4_11; en) AppleWebKit/525.18 (KHTML, like Gecko) Version/3.1.2 Safari/525.22, gzip(gfe), gzip(gfe) Original-Xref: news.stanford.edu gnu.emacs.help:162636 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:57977 Archived-At: > More important in this context is the fact that his knowledge of his > specific RSI problems and their solutions is much higher than yours. I didn't consider him sincere, knowledgable, or respectful. Remember my article about =E2=80=9C(Knowledge + Love) / Disrespectfulness=E2=80=9D? ( http://xahlee.org/Netiquette_dir/disrespectfulness.html ) So, all things considered, i considered him, based on his couple of messages, that he's like some highschool boy trying do a pissing fight. I embraced it, as you can see. > mentioned specific ways in which he finds your "ergonomic" layout to be > more painful than his setup. Yes. One could interprete a highschool boy's retorts as meaningful and dig into. The question is, do you really want to defend this? If so, let me know. I'll detail the reasons why i think what i think on his messages or yours. > He also mentioned that his most > substantial problem is with the mouse, *not* the keyboard, a point which > you entirely ignored. See above. But also, please note that the discussion was about a criticism on emacs *scratch*. Sure, sometimes the topic digress. However, there are good or bad digressions. For example, is the digression natural, all agreed, consentual, mutual? Is the digression relevant? Is it worthwhile? For example, is it worthwhile for you digress by defending that his mentioning of RSI and mouse is in fact a topic that we should digress into? One is free to digress of course. So, since he mentioned RSI, i choose to digress on my keyboarding advises, and meanwhile, ignored his mentioning of the mouse. If you like, i can digress into the mouse, such as what mouses i use, my mousing habits, my thoughts on the ergonomicality of mouses, and in general pointing devices, the history of the mouse, the models of mouse i've used since 1991, etc. > Telling people your opinions on their keyboard > setup does not accomplish anything productive or constructive when their > keyboard configuration is just fine and the mouse causes them pain. Yes. Telling me your opinion about a behavior you thought i had doesn't help on the issue of the *scratch* buffer. Can you see? > > Do u mean to say, that as far as you know, pressing Ctrl+n invoke a > > next-line command in web browsers? > > He means that it doesn't create a new document. In graphical web > browsers it typically opens a new browser window, frequently viewing > your home page. Similar to a new document, yes, but not the same thing. Huh? In just about all major browsers (safari, firefox, opera, and prob IE), you can set it to open a empty page. What u talking about? Also, the discussion about Ctrl+n originated from my remark that Ctrl +n is familiar to all programers, in the context of discussing stardard UI. Just because you have installed Firefox plugin that modifies default behavior, or just because you are one of those perhaps less than 0.01% in human animal society who actually uses a text-based browser, it does not mean Ctrl+n behaves your modified way in general or that people are not familiar with such a user interface. I suggest you horn your skills in critical thinking. You could start by reading Wikipedia article: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Critical_thinking Alternatively, i suggest you put time to think about tech geeker's behavior in newsgroups. I have written several articles about it. See here for a index: Netiquette Anthropology http://xahlee.org/Netiquette_dir/troll.html Xah =E2=88=91 http://xahlee.org/ =E2=98=84