From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Rustom Mody Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: don't show the $-bar that indicates text before and/or after the window view, horizontally Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2013 03:34:41 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: References: <87ehap9mam.fsf@VLAN-3434.student.uu.se> <87k3kfx4sh.fsf@VLAN-3434.student.uu.se> <51f00beb$0$2060$426a74cc@news.free.fr> <87wqof27ae.fsf@VLAN-3434.student.uu.se> <871a4299-aefc-4982-b90f-ef3f4d3b2176@googlegroups.com> <87ppu7qdo2.fsf@VLAN-3434.student.uu.se> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1374748518 18681 80.91.229.3 (25 Jul 2013 10:35:18 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2013 10:35:18 +0000 (UTC) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Jul 25 12:35:20 2013 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1V2ItC-0005Z6-Mj for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Thu, 25 Jul 2013 12:35:18 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:33145 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1V2ItC-0008O6-8c for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Thu, 25 Jul 2013 06:35:18 -0400 X-Received: by 10.224.163.14 with SMTP id y14mr43855217qax.3.1374748481969; Thu, 25 Jul 2013 03:34:41 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.50.61.231 with SMTP id t7mr157970igr.4.1374748481933; Thu, 25 Jul 2013 03:34:41 -0700 (PDT) Original-Path: usenet.stanford.edu!cb17no203988qab.0!news-out.google.com!dk8ni1421qab.0!nntp.google.com!cb17no203986qab.0!postnews.google.com!glegroupsg2000goo.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail Original-Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help In-Reply-To: <87ppu7qdo2.fsf@VLAN-3434.student.uu.se> Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: glegroupsg2000goo.googlegroups.com; posting-host=59.95.46.19; posting-account=mBpa7woAAAAGLEWUUKpmbxm-Quu5D8ui Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 59.95.46.19 User-Agent: G2/1.0 Injection-Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2013 10:34:41 +0000 Original-Xref: usenet.stanford.edu gnu.emacs.help:200124 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:92390 Archived-At: On Thursday, July 25, 2013 1:22:45 PM UTC+5:30, Emanuel Berg wrote: > OK, Mody: 1) I have a degree in CS myself, probably not as fancy > as yours, but fancy enough to know this is not CS, but CP > (computer practice). You can't pull rank. No rank or pulling. Basic education-stuff. You want to learn calculus? Ok first need to clear algebra. Algebra? First need arithmetic. So... Basic stuff: abc before xyz. Eli asked you to read some basic stuff before grappling with more advanced = stuff. emacs is quite a formidable piece of software -- hopefully that you will ag= ree with. And in dealing with that, listening to the sequencing suggestions= of insider-guys (like Eli) seems like a good idea. eg if you were teaching emacs to a noob, would you not put C-x C-f before M= -x find-file before M-: (find-file) ? Ok Eli spoke more roughly/rudely than necessary. Maybe there are other con= textual reasons for that?... Dunno... > 2) And, I happen to be a teacher myself.=20 If you are serious about that (and everyone who is trying to learn somethin= g needs to be serious at least about teaching himself) you can take it from= someone who has taught some thousands of students: the single biggest prob= lem in teaching/learning is closing the meta-cognitive loop. Or less jargon= ed: How to debug yourself. It matters little - how much you know - how hard you work - which degrees you possess - which muscles bulge how much Yeah it matters... but very little compared to the ability to debug. You could debug emacs with gdb. Maybe guys like Eli do such things occasio= nally... Dunno. For more ordinary mortals, edebug is usually more than enough heavyweight. Drew's suggestion to use customize (note as a debugging tool) is even more = lightweight. (I personally hate customize as a customization tool though it= s neat for exploration) And Eli's suggestion to approach the corpus of stuff inside emacs in a cert= ain order is more lightweight still. So... Its really quite easy to NOT be in the category to which Dunning-Kruger app= ly: Just be ready/easy to say: "Yeah... I dont know... How to learn???" [The wikipedia article is as usual boringly written. It links to http://opinionator.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/06/20/the-anosognosic= s-dilemma-1/?_r=3D0 which explains better ] Let me end with something that we veteran teachers always fear: The Einstei= n effect. One of Einstein's school teachers told him he was an idiot and a useless wh= o would never make anything of his life. And so when you cross to the other side and become a teacher, theres always= the nagging fear: Is there some idiot in my class who will become Einstein= in future?