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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:315677 Archived-At: On 31/01/2024 17:32, Alan Mackenzie wrote: > Hello, Dmitry. > > On Wed, Jan 31, 2024 at 17:15:41 +0200, Dmitry Gutov wrote: >> On 31/01/2024 16:01, Po Lu wrote: >>> See any file in CC Mode, > >> No shortage of maintainers, you say? > > None. One cannot name a package with bus factor of 1 and say it has plenty of people willing to maintain it. I don't mean to criticize your work (not knowing the exact tradeoffs), but it's plainly a bad example. >>> or GCC's reload.cc, which features this massive conditional dwarfing >>> any of ours: > >> Was there a way to write it more succinctly, using some higher-level >> constructs? That is the subject. > > I think the discussion is over the advantages and disadvantages of > replacing obscure concise code with its equivalent in plain Lisp. Again: Po showed some tapestry of dense code which was supposedly okay. What was it supposed to demonstrate? What alternative to compare with? > After several days of struggling with named-let, cl-labels, and friends, > I vote for the plain Lisp, even if it does need more lines to express. > It is simply less work. I've never used named-let, and very rarely cl-labels. The latter is a very simple idea, though: create a bunch of local function definitions. Like nested functions in Python, for example.