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From: Dmitry Gutov <dmitry@gutov.dev>
To: Justin Burkett <justin@burkett.cc>
Cc: Philip Kaludercic <philipk@posteo.net>,
	Po Lu <luangruo@yahoo.com>, Jeremy Bryant <jb@jeremybryant.net>,
	Emacs Devel <emacs-devel@gnu.org>
Subject: Re: discoverability, better defaults and which-key in Emacs
Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2024 01:05:08 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <a6eb8300-8aba-4743-8ab7-073191a2b40e@gutov.dev> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAF8XuLintpdYti6=VbTy2_Pxm+b7OTgx9TaRW-F9Wo7rMjm6jQ@mail.gmail.com>

On 05/02/2024 21:33, Justin Burkett wrote:
>> If you like which-key's UI (and I don't mind it, aside from the timer
>> thing -- seems like it can be more useful than the current
>> 'describe-bindings' in many cases), then we could ask the author for
>> this different mode of operation, where the timer only tells the user
>> how to get this transient menu with hints (pressing C-h), but the menu
>> itself isn't shown.
>>
>> Or more generally we'll have such a timer globally, and the message
>> ("use C-h") would be independent from which-key. But which-key can plug
>> into the "C-h" binding one way or another, to replace describe-bindings
>> if the user configured it this way.
> I'm the author of which-key, and I've been following along but don't
> have a strong opinion on whether it should be on by default, so I'll
> let you all decide.
> 
> I should mention in response to the comments above that this feature
> is partially implemented through the following setup (from the
> README). It simply sets a long delay for the timer and allows you to
> use C-h to trigger the popup.
> 
>       ;; Allow C-h to trigger which-key before it is done automatically
>       (setq which-key-show-early-on-C-h t)
>       ;; make sure which-key doesn't show normally but refreshes
> quickly after it is
>       ;; triggered.
>       (setq which-key-idle-delay 10000)
>       (setq which-key-idle-secondary-delay 0.05)
>       (which-key-mode)

Nice, thanks. These settings are for the second option, right? "More 
generally ...", etc.

What is missing is the note in the echo area that tells the user to 
press C-h after a timeout (like 200ms or so) if they want help in the 
middle of typing a key sequence.



  reply	other threads:[~2024-02-05 23:05 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 78+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-01-31 23:23 discoverability, better defaults and which-key in Emacs Jeremy Bryant
2024-02-01  2:45 ` Po Lu
2024-02-03 13:40   ` Philip Kaludercic
2024-02-04 22:03     ` Dmitry Gutov
2024-02-05  7:11       ` Philip Kaludercic
2024-02-05 15:38         ` Dmitry Gutov
2024-02-05 18:47           ` Philip Kaludercic
2024-02-05 19:17             ` Dmitry Gutov
2024-02-05 19:33               ` Justin Burkett
2024-02-05 23:05                 ` Dmitry Gutov [this message]
2024-02-06  2:49                   ` Justin Burkett
2024-02-06 23:12                     ` Dmitry Gutov
2024-02-07 12:35                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-02-07 18:31                         ` Dmitry Gutov
2024-02-07 19:13                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-02-07 19:51                             ` Dmitry Gutov
2024-02-08  1:46                           ` Visuwesh
2024-02-08  6:59                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-02-08 12:18                               ` Dmitry Gutov
2024-02-08 13:02                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-02-08 13:36                                   ` Dmitry Gutov
2024-02-08 13:52                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-02-08 14:43                                       ` Dmitry Gutov
2024-02-08 16:12                                         ` Dmitry Gutov
2024-02-11  2:17                                           ` Dmitry Gutov
2024-02-11  2:39                                             ` Po Lu
2024-02-11 12:30                                               ` Dmitry Gutov
2024-02-11  6:49                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-02-11 12:26                                               ` Dmitry Gutov
2024-02-11 15:00                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-02-11 20:36                                                   ` Dmitry Gutov
2024-02-08 16:50                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-02-08 13:41                                   ` Dmitry Gutov
2024-02-08 13:51                                   ` Rebinding Fn [Re: discoverability, better defaults and which-key in Emacs] Alan Mackenzie
2024-02-08 13:55                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-02-08 14:04                                       ` Alan Mackenzie
2024-02-08 13:25                           ` discoverability, better defaults and which-key in Emacs Po Lu
2024-02-08 13:27                             ` Dmitry Gutov
2024-02-08 13:36                               ` Dmitry Gutov
2024-02-01  7:35 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-02-01 21:16   ` Jeremy Bryant
2024-02-02  6:43     ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-02-02  7:00       ` Emanuel Berg
2024-02-02  7:43         ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-02-02 15:25           ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2024-02-02 15:53             ` Emanuel Berg
2024-02-02 16:04             ` Emanuel Berg
2024-02-03 11:46             ` Jeremy Bryant
2024-02-03 11:39           ` Jeremy Bryant
2024-02-03 12:12             ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-02-03 14:07               ` Jeremy Bryant
2024-02-03 15:15                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-02-04 22:18                   ` Jeremy Bryant
2024-02-05 12:41                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-02-03 11:30       ` Jeremy Bryant
2024-02-03 11:36       ` Moving which-key ELPA package into core - " Jeremy Bryant
2024-02-03 16:34         ` Stefan Monnier
2024-02-04 22:12           ` Jeremy Bryant
2024-02-04 23:06             ` Stefan Monnier
2024-02-01 21:17   ` orzodk
2024-02-01 22:24     ` Jeremy Bryant
2024-02-01 23:49       ` orzodk
2024-02-02  6:31     ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-02-02 16:00   ` Howard Melman
2024-02-02 19:24     ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-02-02 19:32       ` tomas
2024-02-02 20:16         ` Howard Melman
2024-02-03  7:25           ` Emanuel Berg
2024-02-03  8:49           ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-02-03 16:58             ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2024-02-04 22:25               ` Jeremy Bryant
2024-02-04 22:55                 ` Emanuel Berg
2024-02-05  3:40                   ` Emanuel Berg
2024-02-04 23:47                 ` Drew Adams
2024-02-05  1:46                   ` Emanuel Berg
2024-02-05  3:52               ` Divya Ranjan
2024-02-05 15:04                 ` Drew Adams
2024-02-04 18:34             ` Howard Melman

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