everybody STOP ANSWERING QUESTIONS

everybody STOP ANSWERING QUESTIONS

[Emanuel Berg]

https://www.fsf.org/resources/service

27 hits for "emacs"!

And hear:

"100 EUR per hour"

"Rates: $100-$150 USD"

"His rates vary from $150 to $600 USD.
Of course this depends on the nature of
the project."

Well, that's so obvious one has to wonder why
he even takes his time to say it?!

But this is the best:

    Your Rate: $75-$100/hour (750-1000 SEK in
    sweden), plus expenses. My rates are
    negotiable, depending on how interesting
    the project is to me.

My my, the degree of generosity is just
mind-boggling :D

-- 
underground experts united
http://user.it.uu.se/~embe8573

Re: everybody STOP ANSWERING QUESTIONS

[tomas]

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On Thu, Jan 25, 2018 at 11:23:26AM +0100, Emanuel Berg wrote:
> https://www.fsf.org/resources/service
> 
> 27 hits for "emacs"!

[...]

?

- -- tomás
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Re: everybody STOP ANSWERING QUESTIONS

[Ben Bacarisse]

Emanuel Berg <moasen@zoho.com> writes:

> https://www.fsf.org/resources/service
>
> 27 hits for "emacs"!
>
> And hear:
>
> "100 EUR per hour"
>
> "Rates: $100-$150 USD"
>
> "His rates vary from $150 to $600 USD.
> Of course this depends on the nature of
> the project."
>
> Well, that's so obvious one has to wonder why
> he even takes his time to say it?!
>
> But this is the best:
>
>     Your Rate: $75-$100/hour (750-1000 SEK in
>     sweden), plus expenses. My rates are
>     negotiable, depending on how interesting
>     the project is to me.
>
> My my, the degree of generosity is just
> mind-boggling :D

OK, I see the smilie, so maybe you are not being serious, but I don't
even see anything amusing here, much less anything to get het up about.
What's the purpose of your post?

-- 
Ben.

Re: everybody STOP ANSWERING QUESTIONS

[Emanuel Berg]

Ben Bacarisse wrote:

> OK, I see the smilie, so maybe you are not
> being serious, but I don't even see anything
> amusing here, much less anything to get het
> up about. What's the purpose of your post?

Don't you think there are better things to do
with 600 US bucks than to pay someone else to
do something with Emacs *for one hour*, that
you can do yourself just as good with the free
of charge support offered here, on the SX site,
#emacs, your own brain, etc.?

-- 
underground experts united
http://user.it.uu.se/~embe8573

Re: everybody STOP ANSWERING QUESTIONS

[James K. Lowden]

On Thu, 25 Jan 2018 17:03:39 +0100
Emanuel Berg <moasen@zoho.com> wrote:

> Ben Bacarisse wrote:
> 
> > OK, I see the smilie, so maybe you are not
> > being serious, but I don't even see anything
> > amusing here, much less anything to get het
> > up about. What's the purpose of your post?
> 
> Don't you think there are better things to do
> with 600 US bucks than to pay someone else to
> do something with Emacs *for one hour*, that
> you can do yourself just as good with the free
> of charge support offered here, on the SX site,
> #emacs, your own brain, etc.?

In the first place, you're right, sort of.  It's hard to imagine the
market for emacs programming is nonzero.  Which emacs user isn't
already a programmer, and is inclined to spend money to have it
configured to his liking?  

In the second place, $600/hr is pure fantasy.  I'm sure he gets it,
except that billed hours to date are zero.  

Specialized consultant programmers in New York City sometimes pull down
$200/hr or so, on projects worth millions.  Usually $150/hr is a
stretch.  $600 is just comical.  

--jkl

Re: everybody STOP ANSWERING QUESTIONS

[Emanuel Berg]

James K. Lowden wrote:

> In the first place, you're right, sort of.
> It's hard to imagine the market for emacs
> programming is nonzero. Which emacs user
> isn't already a programmer, and is inclined
> to spend money to have it configured to
> his liking?

The people who use Emacs but "aren't
programmers", those people aren't programmers
simply because they didn't take it in that
direction, whatever good reason they might have
for not doing so. Holly would if she could, but
to them it is the other way around.

I have as much respect for them as I do the
"Emacs programmers", because it means they do
something else with it.

Most certainly, they are not the people who
make the offer "make sense".

-- 
underground experts united
http://user.it.uu.se/~embe8573

Re: everybody STOP ANSWERING QUESTIONS

[Ben Bacarisse]

Emanuel Berg <moasen@zoho.com> writes:

> Ben Bacarisse wrote:
>
>> OK, I see the smilie, so maybe you are not
>> being serious, but I don't even see anything
>> amusing here, much less anything to get het
>> up about. What's the purpose of your post?
>
> Don't you think there are better things to do
> with 600 US bucks than to pay someone else to
> do something with Emacs *for one hour*, that
> you can do yourself just as good with the free
> of charge support offered here, on the SX site,
> #emacs, your own brain, etc.?

I'm hardly typical and not at all the target market for anyone on the
page you cited.  I am retired (and have the luxury of time) and I've
been programming in Lisp, off and on, for 40 years (and thus have the
required skills) so, no, I would not pay $600 for an hour of someone
else's programming time.

I'm still puzzled by your post.  The rates or the wording or something
obviously bugs you but I can't see what.  The fact the neither you nor I
would pay for Emacs programming is surely not it.

-- 
Ben.

Re: everybody STOP ANSWERING QUESTIONS

[Rusi]

On Friday, January 26, 2018 at 2:29:38 AM UTC+5:30, Ben Bacarisse wrote:
> I'm still puzzled by your post.  The rates or the wording or something
> obviously bugs you but I can't see what. 

It is natural to visualize that the open source/free software revolution will
destroy everything in sight… if the brain has been pickled by an education 
funded by economic/business interests…

This may help clarify:
https://content.cultureandempire.com/

Re: everybody STOP ANSWERING QUESTIONS

[tomas]

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On Thu, Jan 25, 2018 at 07:18:17PM -0800, Rusi wrote:
> On Friday, January 26, 2018 at 2:29:38 AM UTC+5:30, Ben Bacarisse wrote:
> > I'm still puzzled by your post.  The rates or the wording or something
> > obviously bugs you but I can't see what. 
> 
> It is natural to visualize that the open source/free software revolution will
> destroy everything in sight… if the brain has been pickled by an education 
> funded by economic/business interests…
> 
> This may help clarify:
> https://content.cultureandempire.com/

Somewhat ironically, what I see is a link "Save to Kindle" which
(unsurprisingly) points to... Amazon. One of the big brain pickling
factories, if you ask me.

We should be able to do better than that shouldn't we?

Cheers
- -- tomás
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Re: everybody STOP ANSWERING QUESTIONS

[Emanuel Berg]

Rusi wrote:

> It is natural to visualize that the open
> source/free software revolution will destroy
> everything in sight

Really? That'd be great only I need to print my
.emacs before it happens as we spent so much
time together.

-- 
underground experts united
http://user.it.uu.se/~embe8573

Re: everybody STOP ANSWERING QUESTIONS

[Rusi]

On Friday, January 26, 2018 at 2:34:01 PM UTC+5:30, to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
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> On Thu, Jan 25, 2018 at 07:18:17PM -0800, Rusi wrote:
> > On Friday, January 26, 2018 at 2:29:38 AM UTC+5:30, Ben Bacarisse wrote:
> > > I'm still puzzled by your post.  The rates or the wording or something
> > > obviously bugs you but I can't see what. 
> > 
> > It is natural to visualize that the open source/free software revolution will
> > destroy everything in sight… if the brain has been pickled by an education 
> > funded by economic/business interests…
> > 
> > This may help clarify:
> > https://content.cultureandempire.com/
> 
> Somewhat ironically, what I see is a link "Save to Kindle" which
> (unsurprisingly) points to... Amazon. 

Browser problem??

Both in firefox and on an android phone, the main pane shows the kindle as you
see and the left pane shows the chapters of the book [Creative Commons if I remember right… can't find the link right now… And the author is dead]

Anyways… the preface is here
https://content.cultureandempire.com/preface.html
which describes the idea of 'cost gravity'
which is why I linked to it in the current discussion's context

Re: everybody STOP ANSWERING QUESTIONS

[Pierpaolo Bernardi]

Uh?  What's the problem?

The snippets you quote look perfectly reasonable offers. My mind is not boggled at all.

Il giorno 25 gennaio 2018, alle ore 11:25, Emanuel Berg <moasen@zoho.com> ha scritto:

https://www.fsf.org/resources/service

27 hits for "emacs"!

And hear:

"100 EUR per hour"

"Rates: $100-$150 USD"

"His rates vary from $150 to $600 USD.
Of course this depends on the nature of
the project."

Well, that's so obvious one has to wonder why
he even takes his time to say it?!

But this is the best:

    Your Rate: $75-$100/hour (750-1000 SEK in
    sweden), plus expenses. My rates are
    negotiable, depending on how interesting
    the project is to me.

My my, the degree of generosity is just
mind-boggling :D

-- 
underground experts united
http://user.it.uu.se/~embe8573