From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: rustom Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: About Emacs Modernisation Project Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2010 10:20:25 -0700 (PDT) Organization: http://groups.google.com Message-ID: References: <143c6d28-4423-4e43-9fc5-c0fb3340043b@c11g2000vbe.googlegroups.com> <87ljazofkn.fsf@rapttech.com.au> <04eff456-349f-4840-b0f7-d1784f6b7058@d12g2000vbr.googlegroups.com> <87r5krh3e0.fsf@unm.edu> <87wrujuowq.fsf@kuiper.lan.informatimago.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1291836680 4966 80.91.229.12 (8 Dec 2010 19:31:20 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2010 19:31:20 +0000 (UTC) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Dec 08 20:31:15 2010 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PQPjO-0003U6-GR for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 08 Dec 2010 20:31:15 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:47073 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1PQPjN-0002C1-QF for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 08 Dec 2010 14:31:13 -0500 Original-Path: usenet.stanford.edu!postnews.google.com!x27g2000prf.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail Original-Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help Original-Lines: 40 Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 59.95.38.147 Original-X-Trace: posting.google.com 1275499226 30233 127.0.0.1 (2 Jun 2010 17:20:26 GMT) Original-X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Original-NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2010 17:20:26 +0000 (UTC) Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: x27g2000prf.googlegroups.com; posting-host=59.95.38.147; posting-account=mBpa7woAAAAGLEWUUKpmbxm-Quu5D8ui User-Agent: G2/1.0 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.9.1.9) Gecko/20100315 Firefox/3.5.9,gzip(gfe) Original-Xref: usenet.stanford.edu gnu.emacs.help:178569 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:75891 Archived-At: On Jun 2, 5:47=A0pm, "B. T. Raven" wrote: > rustom wrote: > > On Jun 1, 1:40 pm, p...@informatimago.com (Pascal J. Bourguignon) > > wrote: > >> Evans Winner writes: > >>> LanX writes: > >>> =A0 =A0 No name spaces, no real lexical variables [...] > >>> These are not bugs, they are features. =A0One uses the right > >>> tool for the job. =A0It is highly unlikely that the language > >>> of choice for serious hackers working on developing large, > >>> complex systems is going to be the same language chosen for > >>> casual text editor users who want to quickly and simply > >>> customize some element of their editor. =A0 > >> Possibly. =A0However, if emacs was reprogrammed in Common Lisp, you > >> could have both. =A0Naive users could be provided with an environment > >> with only dynamic binding and a unique namespace, while sophisticated > >> programmers could use all the features of Common Lisp. =A0Also, as > >> mentionned in another post, it would be easier to implement other > >> user-friend scripting languages in Common Lisp than in emacs lisp. > > > I remember seeing a paper (by a German I think) in which he claimed > > that he could *fully automatically* translate elisp to scheme. =A0Does > > anyone remember this? [My google foo is not up-to-the-mark...] > > It might have been this (out of Freiburg and Tuebingen, 2001): > > http://www-pu.informatik.uni-tuebingen.de/users/sperber/papers/dynami... Yeah this may be it but now when I see it it says it cant handle eval. The last time I saw it it said it could handle eval (at least thats what I remember) because I remember finding it incredible [Without trying to prove it, translating eval correctly would amount to solving the halting problem. For those unfamiliar with CS technicalities this is as anomalous as making say a perpetual motion machine] > > Anyway, there is menttion of the el2scm project. > > Ed