From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Rusi Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Emacs Book Vs Emacs Manuals Date: Tue, 12 May 2015 18:09:58 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: References: <87fv77barj.fsf@gnu.org> <87zj5fgpd8.fsf@newcastle.ac.uk> <83h9rnp0yy.fsf@gnu.org> <87r3qnl70z.fsf@newcastle.ac.uk> <837fsfm7gq.fsf@gnu.org> <991d9b3f-e2f4-4977-9e78-99d39b04ede5@default> <53fc8fd4-2a3e-4937-bc17-6bf6d5bfff5a@googlegroups.com> <0d865b33-6751-4958-b61b-e0f2b3298a20@googlegroups.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1431479424 12539 80.91.229.3 (13 May 2015 01:10:24 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 13 May 2015 01:10:24 +0000 (UTC) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed May 13 03:10:24 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1YsLBi-0006fj-PO for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 13 May 2015 03:10:18 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:45777 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YsLBh-00004x-C4 for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 12 May 2015 21:10:17 -0400 X-Received: by 10.50.13.97 with SMTP id g1mr31306342igc.13.1431479399778; Tue, 12 May 2015 18:09:59 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.50.66.142 with SMTP id f14mr432920igt.17.1431479399745; Tue, 12 May 2015 18:09:59 -0700 (PDT) Original-Path: usenet.stanford.edu!m20no2708260iga.0!news-out.google.com!kd3ni15416igb.0!nntp.google.com!m20no2708259iga.0!postnews.google.com!glegroupsg2000goo.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail Original-Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help In-Reply-To: Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: glegroupsg2000goo.googlegroups.com; posting-host=117.195.52.10; posting-account=mBpa7woAAAAGLEWUUKpmbxm-Quu5D8ui Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 117.195.52.10 User-Agent: G2/1.0 Injection-Date: Wed, 13 May 2015 01:09:59 +0000 Original-Xref: usenet.stanford.edu gnu.emacs.help:212143 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:104428 Archived-At: On Tuesday, May 12, 2015 at 11:16:00 PM UTC+5:30, Eli Zaretskii wrote: > > Date: Tue, 12 May 2015 09:55:47 -0700 (PDT) > > From: Rusi=20 > >=20 > > > Each chapter in the Emacs manual is a short intro to the subject of > > > that chapter. > >=20 > > There is a fundamental difference between logical and pedagogical order= . >=20 > Indeed, it is. But I don't see the relevance of that to the issue at > hand. >=20 > > The emacs manual may be logically structured. >=20 > No, it is intended to be pedagogically structured. If you find > evidence to the contrary, i.e. style that is typical of academic > papers, please report that as a bug. >=20 > > Joe Noob has a need that is completely covered in chaps i,(more likely = i,j,k) > > of the manual. How does he go from his need to chaps i,j,k? >=20 > Via cross-references and menus, of course. And via index search. >=20 > > Lets say that dired and even better wdired is exactly what he needs. Ho= w is he > > going to find that out? >=20 > I would start by typing "i directory TAB", then see "directory > listing" there, and select it. And there, lo and behold, I'd see > this: >=20 > The file system groups files into "directories". A "directory listing" > is a list of all the files in a directory. Emacs provides commands to > create and delete directories, and to make directory listings in brief > format (file names only) and verbose format (sizes, dates, and authors > included). Emacs also includes a directory browser feature called > Dired; see *note Dired::. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^= ^ > ^^^^^ >=20 > Then I'd follow that Dired hyperlink, and in the menu, due to some > sheer luck (or maybe something else) I'd see this, inter alia: >=20 > * Wdired:: Operating on files by editing the Dired b= uffer. >=20 > and also >=20 > * Image-Dired:: Viewing image thumbnails in Dired. >=20 > and lots of other interesting and relevant topics. I just picked the dired/wdired eg at random And now I look (emacs 24.3.1) Where-is: wdired-change-to-wdired-mode But I dont see any Wdired in menu =E2=86=92 immediate