From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Rajesh Vaidheeswarran" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel,gmane.emacs.pretest.bugs Subject: Re: 23.0.60; whitespace.el mishap Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2008 10:27:55 -0500 Message-ID: References: <47A93D3A.90308@gnu.org> <47AA7C97.2020505@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_17772_28696706.1202398075930" X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1202398126 8752 80.91.229.12 (7 Feb 2008 15:28:46 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2008 15:28:46 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Glenn Morris , Michael Welsh Duggan , emacs-pretest-bug@gnu.org To: "Miles Bader" Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Feb 07 16:29:08 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1JN8gG-0003zA-PG for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 07 Feb 2008 16:28:53 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JN8fo-00028o-6T for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 07 Feb 2008 10:28:24 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1JN8fj-00028N-7w for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 07 Feb 2008 10:28:19 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1JN8fg-000287-I8 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 07 Feb 2008 10:28:17 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JN8fg-000284-Fe for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 07 Feb 2008 10:28:16 -0500 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([140.186.70.10]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1JN8fg-0003oV-0k for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 07 Feb 2008 10:28:16 -0500 Original-Received: from mx10.gnu.org ([199.232.76.166]) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1JN8ff-0007YN-Qk for emacs-pretest-bug@gnu.org; Thu, 07 Feb 2008 10:28:15 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1JN8fc-0003np-Nq for emacs-pretest-bug@gnu.org; Thu, 07 Feb 2008 10:28:15 -0500 Original-Received: from mx20.gnu.org ([199.232.41.8]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1JN8fc-0003nd-Db for emacs-pretest-bug@gnu.org; Thu, 07 Feb 2008 10:28:12 -0500 Original-Received: from rv-out-0910.google.com ([209.85.198.189]) by mx20.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1JN8fa-0001qa-Hd for emacs-pretest-bug@gnu.org; Thu, 07 Feb 2008 10:28:11 -0500 Original-Received: by rv-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id c27so3949373rvf.6 for ; Thu, 07 Feb 2008 07:27:56 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references:x-google-sender-auth; bh=J3mMiI8G8aqG3vEFJ3FUSqB6Pl5pU27RzyfhIzc0ep4=; b=NYyEJHVSXXX4E0r1jJ3YAlosSLoLHEE6q5NVTw8qijBemLAo/euDnSlCZivQtg3+tIpIRIb6eQPdXPaPw2hbkJz5j6zyyb+6f3k3Bwx5HISHI/M3SeCiB2a6Xlo6gZ4phmp7qWKFUvdvnizYpn6XqAFhYvc4g0CKHaKYKTWcNbs= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=hbR/Zn9maYgOwxTA17pezdS2TaKYA09AFIax79CCy5kabldc4dRZyQuBfTy+6OM2DaImouXicMLtKKegtWONNGgIT7wr8K+onSKMH6UNGD1irxjZlmrtDlKx89MAlChVFBLfGtiil/8G+2igSJWnfUpwxy3R6owvu2n0ThFvyVQ= Original-Received: by 10.140.144.4 with SMTP id r4mr7665405rvd.15.1202398075977; Thu, 07 Feb 2008 07:27:55 -0800 (PST) Original-Received: by 10.65.241.1 with HTTP; Thu, 7 Feb 2008 07:27:55 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: X-Google-Sender-Auth: 7b12392706dd1367 X-detected-kernel: by mx20.gnu.org: Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Linux 2.6, seldom 2.4 (older, 4) X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Linux 2.6, seldom 2.4 (older, 4) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:88426 gmane.emacs.pretest.bugs:20925 Archived-At: ------=_Part_17772_28696706.1202398075930 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Yes, I am now really confused. Looks like I missed the booting out of the whitespace.el that I wrote. I did see that the whitespace-buffer was behaving differently, but chalked it up to me being tired late at night. So, I guess, at this point, someone else is responsible for fixing this. rv On Feb 7, 2008 1:03 AM, Miles Bader wrote: > Glenn Morris writes: > >> That's good. However, I'm unable to reproduce it on the installed emacs > >> in fencepost. > > > > In case you're confused, the whitespace.el in question is not the one > > you wrote (as far as I can tell). Someone recently renamed that one to > > old-whitespace.el and installed a new one, which seems like a recipe > > for exactly this kind of confusion. This "whitespace.el" is only in > > the Emacs CVS trunk (I think). > > I gather that Richard wanted the new functionality to use the > "whitespace" name, which makes some sense, but it seems seems to have > been done rather clumsily in some cases. E.g. the new > "whitespace-buffer" command seems completely different than the old > "whitespace-buffer" command, and really there seems no good reason for > it. [It's more or less a mode, but isn't called "...-mode", doesn't > follow emacs mode conventions well, e.g., it doesn't togglex, and > there's _also_ "whitespace-mode" which offers different, but related, > functionality...] > > -miles > > -- > My books focus on timeless truths. -- Donald Knuth > ------=_Part_17772_28696706.1202398075930 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Yes, I am now really confused. Looks like I missed the booting out of the whitespace.el that I wrote. I did see that the whitespace-buffer was behaving differently, but chalked it up to me being tired late at night.

So, I guess, at this point, someone else is responsible for fixing this.

rv

On Feb 7, 2008 1:03 AM, Miles Bader <miles.bader@necel.com> wrote:
Glenn Morris <rgm@gnu.org> writes:
>> That's good. However, I'm unable to reproduce it on the installed emacs
>> in fencepost.
>
> In case you're confused, the whitespace.el in question is not the one
> you wrote (as far as I can tell). Someone recently renamed that one to
> old-whitespace.el and installed a new one, which seems like a recipe
> for exactly this kind of confusion. This "whitespace.el" is only in
> the Emacs CVS trunk (I think).

I gather that Richard wanted the new functionality to use the
"whitespace" name, which makes some sense, but it seems seems to have
been done rather clumsily in some cases.  E.g. the new
"whitespace-buffer" command seems completely different than the old
"whitespace-buffer" command, and really there seems no good reason for
it.  [It's more or less a mode, but isn't called "...-mode", doesn't
follow emacs mode conventions well, e.g., it doesn't togglex, and
there's _also_ "whitespace-mode" which offers different, but related,
functionality...]

-miles

--
My books focus on timeless truths.  -- Donald Knuth

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