From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Drew Adams Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: RE: Where is Emacs Lisp taught ? Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2018 20:47:34 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: References: <5B8BFDC9-A07B-48FE-8C97-1BB0B84E5577@gmail.com> <865zxruycx.fsf@zoho.com> <875zxr7zke.fsf@portable.galex-713.eu> NNTP-Posting-Host: blaine.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: blaine.gmane.org 1542257187 9401 195.159.176.226 (15 Nov 2018 04:46:27 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2018 04:46:27 +0000 (UTC) To: Stefan Monnier , help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Nov 15 05:46:22 2018 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1gN9Xq-0002LH-L0 for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Thu, 15 Nov 2018 05:46:22 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:36104 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1gN9Zx-0000kq-95 for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 14 Nov 2018 23:48:33 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:54614) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1gN9ZO-0000kk-8C for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 14 Nov 2018 23:47:58 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1gN9ZH-0007XV-F4 for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 14 Nov 2018 23:47:56 -0500 Original-Received: from userp2120.oracle.com ([156.151.31.85]:49154) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1gN9ZH-0007U0-41 for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 14 Nov 2018 23:47:51 -0500 Original-Received: from pps.filterd (userp2120.oracle.com [127.0.0.1]) by userp2120.oracle.com (8.16.0.22/8.16.0.22) with SMTP id wAF4iONs051979; Thu, 15 Nov 2018 04:47:41 GMT DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=oracle.com; h=mime-version : message-id : date : from : sender : to : subject : references : in-reply-to : content-type : content-transfer-encoding; s=corp-2018-07-02; bh=iumbzXz32HTrqeY3EmGIjIsQ6J+o7WXTt/HB+cY5cdQ=; b=CdmRFIt2Siv5nLFB+/boC0yZsyQmlDpW0vxEVEfZbkpKUkd2q6fbmxTOTsDYWb7ycL67 SrR+zP6dp/u8ozpBuDA2FjFnTZ8uRAHx0H9UepfoIblkaO+Sfmo38z2uOPD54SDUzUS4 ii8TAtXPGXpb7uX/yJYe5hkv8tnyJVXyf/rdCkQXOZQfTj8eWOIstSxSDWAzoK/V+pGm RRAmmWSZUBzbml0iQcqS1yxHyVNVvSICwnm1IMpnOnXDEGMQiM1yNvybQJCeeu9leLpw Mv9dh3uBMWuIxgjkydR12D3s2M9dp304JIYdDhWIqetkiriqi9S/dIDwpkzMa9XPjGIn dw== Original-Received: from aserv0022.oracle.com (aserv0022.oracle.com [141.146.126.234]) by userp2120.oracle.com with ESMTP id 2nr7cs7apk-1 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 15 Nov 2018 04:47:41 +0000 Original-Received: from aserv0122.oracle.com (aserv0122.oracle.com [141.146.126.236]) by aserv0022.oracle.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id wAF4lZtQ028665 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 15 Nov 2018 04:47:35 GMT Original-Received: from abhmp0008.oracle.com (abhmp0008.oracle.com [141.146.116.14]) by aserv0122.oracle.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id wAF4lZtD012076; Thu, 15 Nov 2018 04:47:35 GMT In-Reply-To: X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.9.1 (1003210) [OL 16.0.4756.0 (x86)] X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=nai engine=5900 definitions=9077 signatures=668683 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 suspectscore=0 malwarescore=0 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 spamscore=0 mlxscore=0 mlxlogscore=552 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.0.1-1810050000 definitions=main-1811150041 X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 156.151.31.85 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "help-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:118670 Archived-At: > Of course, after 30 years of development, most of the things a beginner > will want has already been coded up, so the beginner's reaction nowadays > is to look for a package which provides the thing he's longing for. > Missing this opportunity to learn to hack along the way. Yes, and there's a lot more that's changed in those 30 years. Still the basic lesson holds.