From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Dmitry Gutov Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#62750: 29.0.50; Commands 'package-update' and 'package-update-all' should be called '*-upgrade' Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2023 22:38:16 +0300 Message-ID: References: <2726a957-a2a8-3b89-8930-2d620d83491e@alphapapa.net> <83sfd7c1v1.fsf@gnu.org> <875ya3euof.fsf@posteo.net> <87fs95a6y3.fsf@posteo.net> <83h6tl6xgn.fsf@gnu.org> <54892fb9-fcc5-d036-e0de-e199712ff7d4@gutov.dev> <83bkjdxzbx.fsf@gnu.org> <83ttx5w0sw.fsf@gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="29665"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:102.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/102.10.0 Cc: adam@alphapapa.net, larsi@gnus.org, philipk@posteo.net, monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, 62750@debbugs.gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Mon Apr 24 21:39:45 2023 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1pr22J-0007W5-DO for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; 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Mon, 24 Apr 2023 15:38:17 -0400 (EDT) Content-Language: en-US In-Reply-To: <83ttx5w0sw.fsf@gnu.org> X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:260583 Archived-At: On 24/04/2023 22:13, Eli Zaretskii wrote: >> Or even augment the current one: (package-upgrade 'name >> "some-older-version") has a similar feel to (forward-char -1), not >> exactly unfamiliar to us. > We are talking about invoking commands, not about Lisp programs. How > many times did you do "C-- C-f" instead of "C-b"? Considering one would have to enter a specific version to downgrade to (right?), they'd have to do it interactively. Unlike in the case of upgrading, where we almost always want the most recent version. If one had to explicitly input the number of chars to go forward anyway, we would have little use for backward-char.