From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Gregory Heytings Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: A more radical cleanup for make bootstrap? Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2022 19:46:55 +0000 Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="18377"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: Po Lu , Stefan Monnier , Stefan Kangas , emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Lars Ingebrigtsen Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Mon Sep 19 21:49:53 2022 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1oaMm7-0004W5-Uf for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Mon, 19 Sep 2022 21:49:52 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:34446 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1oaMm5-0001fl-2k for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Mon, 19 Sep 2022 15:49:49 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:53250) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1oaMjL-00008W-Qa for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 19 Sep 2022 15:47:01 -0400 Original-Received: from heytings.org ([95.142.160.155]:47888) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1oaMjK-0000uv-4S for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 19 Sep 2022 15:46:59 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=heytings.org; s=20220101; t=1663616815; bh=XIo8I9XJDFsyrqzE9dgo7Pe7Wocl/ly0LGsNm3QyaLg=; h=Date:From:To:cc:Subject:Message-ID:From; b=AIEIL7P4Idgmb3D6N1CWw6quO3UetRfVrGcyXGLdJoxSpfFxKTSR/2WtcbrIyLfSL 5oql1X15GDPZOc4Qpcx3mYzWrog9zjIrVxkaY35CsD5yd3ZFhfsPPKyhqi3rhLdmlo FI4kI7N3domLChHkwVegUHRu5gIgD1mAQezqcGvXwsvncEf+Txol1hecHkdcx45D7r IQcXVFoWR5vfqzrAAhYVHpmyPhCf1vi7r9uQ3lp39Fqeqcxbml1PKM3ZLqxrONuAxh Nc7FpzBUS46EVf7//frJaiuF3p/vGeduphbjmlQDa6rSJyEiJX0Z9aRg/wbOa1DYjm mGm3d1O8VLKyw== Received-SPF: pass client-ip=95.142.160.155; envelope-from=gregory@heytings.org; helo=heytings.org X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:295744 Archived-At: [Subject changed so that potentially interested readers do not miss it.] >> WDYT of simply adding another "full-bootstrap" target, with the meaning >> "from the lowest possible ground"? > > If other people are so married to the "bootstrap" name that they refuse > to consider renaming it, I don't think it's worth spending more time > arguing about. So, sure. > Now Stefan M and Po Lu both said (IIUC) that what they'd like is a bootstrap that does a less radical cleanup than what bootstrap now does. And (again IIUC) Eli and you (and others) agree that bootstrap should start with a state that is as clean as possible (which is what extraclean does). So what I'd suggest is to use extraclean in bootstrap, and add either another target like "soft-bootstrap" or a configuration variable like "SOFT=true" that would make a less radical cleanup than what bootstrap-cleanup now does. Would that be a solution that is acceptable to everyone?