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From: Xah Lee <xahlee@gmail.com>
To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Arrow Keys?
Date: Sun, 7 Jun 2009 10:05:22 -0700 (PDT)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <a2b4ec8f-0c6f-42bb-992f-4c859f33f9a8@w40g2000yqd.googlegroups.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: mailman.162.1244392060.2239.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org

On Jun 7, 9:27 am, Eric Abrahamsen <gir...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Jun 7, 2009, at 7:58 PM, Lennart Borgman wrote:
>
> > On Sun, Jun 7, 2009 at 1:02 PM, Christian
> > Herenz<her...@physik.hu-berlin.de> wrote:
> >> Chris Gordon-Smith schrieb:
>
> >>> Hello All
>
> >>> I have recently started using Emacs on a regular basis. I read in
> >>> the
> >>> Emacs documentation that it is more efficient to use C-N, C-P etc.
> >>> rather
> >>> than arrow keys. Is this really true? I'm persisting with it, but
> >>> those
> >>> arrow keys still seem pretty attractive.
>
> I've been using emacs for less than a year. I feel comfortable with
> python mode, outline mode, dired, org-mode, slime and auctex. And yet,
> the stupid f-b-n-p issue is a constant pain. Why, in an editor that's
> utilized through habit and muscle memory, are the most primary
> navigation keys based on *mnemonic* devices like forward-back-next-
> previous? Why is that necessary? I can open files on remote servers,
> eval defuns, and relocate sub-trees easier than I can move forward
> three words and then move forward another two characters. I'm aware of
> solutions like ergo-movement or whatever, but it messes with the whole
> arrangement of keys and really isn't viable. Only now, after nearly a
> year of use, am I finally getting to the point where it is more
> efficient to reach for f-b-n-p than to reach for the arrow keys.
>
> This is a rant. I have no real point. In the end, it's better to use f-
> b-n-p, but good Lord it takes a long time to get here.

I guess the ergo-movement you are referring to is

• Ergoemacs Keybindings
  http://xahlee.org/emacs/ergonomic_emacs_keybinding.html

Maybe give it another try? it is meant to fix this emacs problem. Or
tell me what problem you had with you tried to use it.

the reason emacs had the keys it had is largely due to historical
reasons. In particular, the f b n p are due to the about 20 lisp
hackers who already used to that key when emacs just started,
according to the oldest emacs user Daniel Weinreb.

quote:

... At the time Guy Steele put together the Emacs default key
mappings, many people in the target user community (about 20 people at
MIT!) were already using these key bindings.  It would have been hard
to get the new Emacs bindings accepted by the community if they
differed for such basic commands...

—Daniel Weinreb, 2008-06-01, on comp.emacs newsgroup.

See:

• Why Emacs's Keyboard Shortcuts Are Painful
  http://xahlee.org/emacs/emacs_kb_shortcuts_pain.html

  Xah
∑ http://xahlee.org/

  parent reply	other threads:[~2009-06-07 17:05 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 23+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-06-07 10:41 Arrow Keys? Chris Gordon-Smith
2009-06-07 11:02 ` Christian Herenz
2009-06-07 11:58   ` Lennart Borgman
2009-06-07 16:27     ` Eric Abrahamsen
     [not found]     ` <mailman.162.1244392060.2239.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2009-06-07 17:05       ` Xah Lee [this message]
2009-06-07 21:24       ` notbob
2009-06-08  5:13         ` Eric Abrahamsen
2009-06-08 11:46       ` Teemu Likonen
2009-06-12 17:34       ` John A Pershing Jr
2009-06-12 18:38         ` Teemu Likonen
2009-06-12 20:57           ` Jeff Clough
     [not found]           ` <mailman.556.1244868430.2239.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2009-06-13 15:45             ` notbob
2009-06-13 16:12               ` Teemu Likonen
2009-06-07 21:31 ` Chris F.A. Johnson
2009-06-07 22:18   ` Chris Gordon-Smith
2009-06-08  4:58     ` Ian Eure
2009-06-07 22:55   ` Davin Pearson
2009-06-08  0:38     ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-06-13 17:13       ` Andreas Röhler
     [not found]       ` <mailman.569.1244913073.2239.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2009-06-13 18:08         ` B. T. Raven
     [not found]     ` <mailman.179.1244421488.2239.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2009-06-08 20:05       ` Chris Gordon-Smith
2009-06-21 12:01 ` Chris Gordon-Smith
2009-07-06  0:16   ` Miles Bader

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