From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Thomas Lord Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: lamers on IRC Date: Sun, 29 May 2022 17:57:33 -0700 Message-ID: References: <87wnedb6xe.fsf@dataswamp.org> <87pmk1b5ot.fsf@dataswamp.org> <9109efc3-0d1d-4d21-8160-24da6f7cd256@www.fastmail.com> <87bkvj9fr7.fsf@dataswamp.org> <87ee0eselt.fsf@dataswamp.org> <5b08e28cbbd8e3c63febe68ead319316@basiscraft.com> <87k0a68eyl.fsf@dataswamp.org> <875ylq8dev.fsf@dataswamp.org> <2a7698a89c8e34126dbc7e357feea8e0@basiscraft.com> <874k19pue3.fsf@dataswamp.org> <877d65oaxj.fsf@dataswamp.org> <38b62931b8e3ef2c4ee2dd71e111d857@basiscraft.com> <87h757q4ls.fsf@dataswamp.org> <87czfvq3wi.fsf@dataswamp.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="20767"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Roundcube Webmail/1.3.17 To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Mon May 30 02:58:10 2022 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1nvTjV-0005CT-LD for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Mon, 30 May 2022 02:58:09 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:45864 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1nvTjU-0008Md-2O for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 29 May 2022 20:58:08 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:43634) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1nvTj3-0008MU-Sb for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 29 May 2022 20:57:41 -0400 Original-Received: from c.mail.sonic.net ([64.142.111.80]:48694) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1nvTj2-000121-2X for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 29 May 2022 20:57:41 -0400 Original-Received: from webmail.sonic.net (webmail.b.apps.sonic.net [64.142.122.9]) (authenticated bits=0) by c.mail.sonic.net (8.16.1/8.16.1) with ESMTPA id 24U0vXds010133; Sun, 29 May 2022 17:57:33 -0700 In-Reply-To: <87czfvq3wi.fsf@dataswamp.org> X-Sonic-Auth: crFNa8g6dcDJOSWD1N2TksPUBT4fKUD7LI8LjLLEzz0tpOToqVGr8105NZwKsmgpqUc4iVAlPw8UhsHAtdpNfKjKxrGmg4LC0l0UTPnO9gg= X-Sonic-CAuth: UmFuZG9tSVbKrZepvvpHXXyIs3vTmxqSyMwpaMzfNTDQLJYCHQzZ+RRPc1K8W9SPzVKuqvlNR872xfSrmExEHBYpwrAdaBcPEdhnwjHfl0g= X-Sonic-ID: C;OgwpfbPf7BGwdOaMi47k/A== M;qkgxfbPf7BGwdOaMi47k/A== X-Sonic-Spam-Details: -0.0/5.0 by cerberusd Received-SPF: none client-ip=64.142.111.80; envelope-from=lord@basiscraft.com; helo=c.mail.sonic.net X-Spam_score_int: -25 X-Spam_score: -2.6 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.6 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_NONE=0.001, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE=-0.01 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "help-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.help:137466 Archived-At: Kinda. RS232 was used in both the nearby and long distance cases. In the long distance cases it is used to make a physically short connection to the local modem. If you are connecting two computers directly this way, one of them is assuming a terminal is connected, the other is pretending to be a terminal. Computer A (acting as if it is a terminal) logs in to computer B and runs a program that speaks uucp. They move files using that protocol over a terminal connection. See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Null_modem > But with the Fediverse you have it, Not at all - that's a very different system for a fairly narrow set of purposes, but I'll drop it. -t On 2022-05-29 17:07, Emanuel Berg wrote: >> In telecommunications, RS-232 or Recommended Standard 232 >> is a standard originally introduced in 1960 for serial >> communication transmission of data. It formally defines >> signals connecting between a DTE (data terminal equipment) >> such as a computer terminal, and a DCE (data >> circuit-terminating equipment or data communication >> equipment), such as a modem. >> >> >> Hm ... :) > > No, I get it, rs232 was used for very short distances (e.g., > same room), UUCP was used for long distances on landlines. > > I added rs232 to my computer history file, the one other entry > from the year 1960 is fittingly ALGOL 60, the > machine-independent algorithmic language ... > > https://dataswamp.org/~incal/COMP-HIST > https://dataswamp.org/~incal/sth/scripts/hist > https://dataswamp.org/~incal/#sth