From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Daniele Nicolodi Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Fix some tooltip related problems Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2018 16:33:38 -0700 Message-ID: References: <5A533FA4.4030507@gmx.at> <9384bae5-cbb9-4b4d-ac5c-1d01f01c8117@default> <5A53B633.5020706@gmx.at> <41d40db5-15d8-4b2c-a058-fb6dabc8bfd3@default> <5A548E7E.2040601@gmx.at> <5A55E8ED.1010602@gmx.at> <475d480b-3885-4779-ae46-09cf7fbbcee7@default> <5A5742E7.3070303@gmx.at> <5A5799A5.1070305@gmx.at> <878td4fh4r.fsf@gmail.com> <83a7xk46pp.fsf@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: blaine.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: blaine.gmane.org 1515713552 14481 195.159.176.226 (11 Jan 2018 23:32:32 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2018 23:32:32 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.12; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.5.2 To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Jan 12 00:32:28 2018 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1eZmKh-0003Op-1E for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 12 Jan 2018 00:32:27 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:52393 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1eZmMg-0004e8-AJ for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 11 Jan 2018 18:34:30 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:41063) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1eZmM0-0004bR-25 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 11 Jan 2018 18:33:48 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1eZmLv-0005FM-6d for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 11 Jan 2018 18:33:48 -0500 Original-Received: from zed.grinta.net ([109.74.203.128]:56362) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1eZmLu-0005DX-UI for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 11 Jan 2018 18:33:43 -0500 Original-Received: from 688dnmac.campus.nist.gov (unknown [132.163.81.39]) (Authenticated sender: daniele) by zed.grinta.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 9974EE2A64 for ; Thu, 11 Jan 2018 23:33:40 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=grinta.net; s=mail; t=1515713620; bh=ZJj3J9QkKTnF2G+05WwC7jmDUHW5ds098FCPxMOUr1Y=; h=Subject:To:References:From:Date:In-Reply-To:From; b=LIZUPUxpTMWz9skC2u5RdKAP4Xwow1MxvbuIHMWWphh7dCeeRptKzIlokGR1vyfjr 5wNFgb0gPuITmTy6vGaVM0KawxO9VONNYi/377QEmhKbWkaPY5NY3ZL81GM1g4dhZE ELL8TIKn+A1vjsL8qQOYXUW7eq0NQsoyA963Z5eU= In-Reply-To: <83a7xk46pp.fsf@gnu.org> Content-Language: en-US X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] [fuzzy] X-Received-From: 109.74.203.128 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:221864 Archived-At: On 1/11/18 10:59 AM, Eli Zaretskii wrote: >> From: Robert Pluim >> Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2018 18:19:00 +0100 >> >> How much of an outcry would there be if I proposed removing Lucid and >> Motif support completely for Emacs 27, as a first step to getting rid >> of the unholy mix of X and GTK we're currently doing? > > A lot. I'm firmly against removing toolkits to appease GTK. I think > GTK is an unholy mess, which can some day simply stop being supported, > and we definitely shouldn't lose useful features in its favor. I may have misunderstood, but isn't it strange to being worried about GTK stopping being supported when comparing it to Motif? I think it is much likely that X11 will stop being supported before GTK will have this fate. Cheers, Dan