From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.ciao.gmane.io!not-for-mail From: Drew Adams Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#41087: 27.0.91; How to remove Emacs 27 changes to minibuffer? 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Tue, 05 May 2020 04:35:07 +0000 Original-Received: from pps.filterd (aserp3020.oracle.com [127.0.0.1]) by aserp3020.oracle.com (8.16.0.42/8.16.0.42) with SMTP id 0454VM4e141744; Tue, 5 May 2020 04:35:07 GMT Original-Received: from aserv0122.oracle.com (aserv0122.oracle.com [141.146.126.236]) by aserp3020.oracle.com with ESMTP id 30sjnd3p4q-1 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 05 May 2020 04:35:07 +0000 Original-Received: from abhmp0004.oracle.com (abhmp0004.oracle.com [141.146.116.10]) by aserv0122.oracle.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id 0454Z6iO003936; Tue, 5 May 2020 04:35:06 GMT In-Reply-To: <<83lfm7m871.fsf@gnu.org>> X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.9.1 (1003210) [OL 16.0.4993.0 (x86)] X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=nai engine=6000 definitions=9611 signatures=668687 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 mlxscore=0 adultscore=0 phishscore=0 mlxlogscore=999 bulkscore=0 malwarescore=0 spamscore=0 suspectscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.12.0-2003020000 definitions=main-2005050036 X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=nai engine=6000 definitions=9611 signatures=668687 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 malwarescore=0 mlxscore=0 priorityscore=1501 lowpriorityscore=0 spamscore=0 suspectscore=0 phishscore=0 clxscore=1011 bulkscore=0 mlxlogscore=999 adultscore=0 impostorscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.12.0-2003020000 definitions=main-2005050036 X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:179715 Archived-At: > > Emacs 27 is unfortunately _totally_ unusable for me. Cannot do the > > slightest thing. >=20 > Please provide at least some examples of the difficulties. It's hard > to say anything intelligent without that much. I can't at this point. I simply can't use it at all. It will take a very long time, I expect, to figure anything out about it. I spent quite a while in the Lisp debugger today, and didn't scratch the surface. I don't have time for this now, I'm afraid. I'll have to hope that others encounter problems that are related and later I'll perhaps get a pretest candidate that I can use to further find out what's wrong. If no one else runs into related problems then I'll have to get into it at some point, no doubt. But I likely won't have the time to do that for quite a while. I don't want this to be the end of my use of Emacs (e.g. staying forever with 26.3), but that might need to be the case. > > I think that some of the problems come from the changes to minibuffer > > and echo-area behavior. I really don't know that, so ignore that thought. I do want to undo such changes, but I don't have a clue whether they might be causing deeper problems. > > Regardless of whether that is the case, I want > > to undo those changes. Is there an option for that? (I hope so.) If > > not, what changes do I need to make from Lisp, to get back the prior > > behavior? >=20 > The NEWS mentions a few variables that should allow you to do that, > but without knowing what you want to undo, it is hard to say more. I didn't notice such variables. Anyway, I'll worry about that later, and just assume for now that it's not at the root of the bigger problems I have. But yes, I don't want minibuffer-message replacing messge whenever the minibuffer is active, etc. I want the echo area as it was and minibuffer-message and message as they were. I realize that this bug report doesn't help anything at this point. I guess the message for now is that my Emacs is completely broken - can't even begin to use it for anything. In particular, my *Completions* buffer is shown in a separate frame, whose focus is redirected to the minibuffer. That's essentially broken now. There seems to be some additional handle-switch-frame, which breaks that relation somehow (?), so typing in the minibuffer, and then hitting TAB, which pops up the *Completions* frame, takes input focus away from the minibuffer frame (and gives it to the *Completions* frame, which is read-only). My setup works with each Emacs release, from 20 to 26. I know this is all very vague. Sorry.