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Mon, 20 Apr 2020 05:54:09 GMT Original-Received: from aserv0121.oracle.com (aserv0121.oracle.com [141.146.126.235]) by aserp3020.oracle.com with ESMTP id 30gbb9evc4-1 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 20 Apr 2020 05:54:09 +0000 Original-Received: from abhmp0006.oracle.com (abhmp0006.oracle.com [141.146.116.12]) by aserv0121.oracle.com (8.14.4/8.13.8) with ESMTP id 03K5s207029321; Mon, 20 Apr 2020 05:54:02 GMT In-Reply-To: X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.9.1 (1003210) [OL 16.0.4966.0 (x86)] X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=nai engine=6000 definitions=9596 signatures=668686 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 bulkscore=0 malwarescore=0 suspectscore=0 mlxlogscore=999 adultscore=0 mlxscore=0 phishscore=0 spamscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.12.0-2003020000 definitions=main-2004200051 X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=nai engine=6000 definitions=9596 signatures=668686 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 suspectscore=0 bulkscore=0 priorityscore=1501 impostorscore=0 adultscore=0 phishscore=0 lowpriorityscore=0 malwarescore=0 clxscore=1015 mlxlogscore=999 mlxscore=0 spamscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.12.0-2003020000 definitions=main-2004200050 X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-Received-From: 209.51.188.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:178701 Archived-At: > Another way to put it is: an object can start off mutable and later > become constant I don't like that formulation at all. You must instead be talking about different objects. A mutable object cannot be changed to a constant, AFAIK. I think the gotcha we're talking about is thinking that a particular object is mutable when it's not. > +A mutable object can become constant if it is passed to the > +@code{eval} function,=20 How so? What's an example? > +because you should not modify an object that is > +being or might be executed. I don't think it even makes any sense to say that something can become something else _because you should not do XYZ_. That parses - is grammatical, but it makes no sense.