From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Glenn Morris Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Still unable to build trunk Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2011 03:48:10 -0500 Message-ID: References: <87y66fv2d3.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <4D388F7F.20708@swipnet.se> <87r5c7jk5m.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <4D39EF9C.1050804@cs.ucla.edu> <4D3A8666.4070609@cs.ucla.edu> <877hdvd49f.fsf@meyering.net> <83mxmrzhb6.fsf@gnu.org> <4D3C9C5B.8050303@cs.ucla.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1295858940 9304 80.91.229.12 (24 Jan 2011 08:49:00 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2011 08:49:00 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Paul Eggert , cyd@stupidchicken.com, Jim Meyering , emacs-devel@gnu.org, Eli Zaretskii , jan.h.d@swipnet.se To: Stefan Monnier Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Jan 24 09:48:55 2011 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PhI6X-0002eh-23 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 24 Jan 2011 09:48:53 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:50292 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1PhI6W-0002Bq-Cj for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 24 Jan 2011 03:48:52 -0500 Original-Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=42133 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1PhI63-0002Ay-Nb for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 24 Jan 2011 03:48:25 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1PhI61-0004Ql-Ks for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 24 Jan 2011 03:48:23 -0500 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([140.186.70.10]:58741) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1PhI61-0004Qg-I9 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 24 Jan 2011 03:48:21 -0500 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:53861) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PhI5v-0002eW-KG; Mon, 24 Jan 2011 03:48:15 -0500 X-Spook: Delta Force data haven BATF bluebird kilderkin Lon X-Ran: |QEGmq_^Bc[R-im!5Ofe7o{:y.`tu8wOkft(&$F@ List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:134888 Archived-At: [ removed bug-gnulib, don't think this is relevant to them ] Stefan Monnier wrote: > We decided a long time ago that it should be possible to build Emacs > from the VCS without autotools. Do you have a pointer to this discussion? In any case, I hope you will reconsider this old decision, since the arguments for changing this have been well made in this thread, IMO. > While I don't like having `configure' and other auto-generated files > under the control of the VCS, we've learned to live with it and some > of those files are related to bootstrap rather than to autotools, so > even if we change the decision, we'll still be left with such files. I guess you mean ldefs-boot, cl-loaddefs etc. These don't seem to have much bearing on the current question to me. Just because you can't get rid of ALL generated files doesn't mean you should not get rid of SOME, starting with the easiest. Especially if you find yourself having to add more and more of a given class. (FWIW, one of the systems I regularly build Emacs on has too old a version of autoconf etc installed. I had no problem installing newer versions of those tools for my own use.)