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From: Glenn Morris <rgm@gnu.org>
To: Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca>
Cc: Paul Eggert <eggert@cs.ucla.edu>,
	cyd@stupidchicken.com, Jim Meyering <jim@meyering.net>,
	emacs-devel@gnu.org, Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>,
	jan.h.d@swipnet.se
Subject: Re: Still unable to build trunk
Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2011 03:48:10 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <a0r5c21yd1.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: jwvhbczrud1.fsf-monnier+emacs@gnu.org

[ removed bug-gnulib, don't think this is relevant to them ]

Stefan Monnier wrote:

> We decided a long time ago that it should be possible to build Emacs
> from the VCS without autotools.

Do you have a pointer to this discussion?

In any case, I hope you will reconsider this old decision, since the
arguments for changing this have been well made in this thread, IMO.

> While I don't like having `configure' and other auto-generated files
> under the control of the VCS, we've learned to live with it and some
> of those files are related to bootstrap rather than to autotools, so
> even if we change the decision, we'll still be left with such files.

I guess you mean ldefs-boot, cl-loaddefs etc. These don't seem to have
much bearing on the current question to me. Just because you can't get
rid of ALL generated files doesn't mean you should not get rid of
SOME, starting with the easiest. Especially if you find yourself
having to add more and more of a given class.

(FWIW, one of the systems I regularly build Emacs on has too old a
version of autoconf etc installed. I had no problem installing newer
versions of those tools for my own use.)



  parent reply	other threads:[~2011-01-24  8:48 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 113+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2011-01-20 18:47 Still unable to build trunk Chong Yidong
2011-01-20 19:39 ` Jan Djärv
2011-01-20 22:16   ` Chong Yidong
2011-01-21 20:42     ` Paul Eggert
2011-01-22  1:29       ` Chong Yidong
2011-01-22  7:25         ` Paul Eggert
2011-01-22 15:03           ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-01-23 15:33             ` Jim Meyering
2011-01-23 17:00               ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-01-23 17:35                 ` Jim Meyering
2011-01-23 18:14                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-01-23 18:47                     ` Jim Meyering
2011-01-23 19:06                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-01-23 20:08                         ` Jim Meyering
2011-01-23 21:23                 ` Paul Eggert
2011-01-24  1:01                   ` Stefan Monnier
2011-01-24  1:22                     ` Miles Bader
2011-01-24  8:48                     ` Glenn Morris [this message]
2011-01-24 16:26                       ` Stefan Monnier
2011-03-08  4:22                         ` A better autogen.sh [was Re: Still unable to build trunk] Glenn Morris
2011-03-08 19:51                           ` Stefan Monnier
2011-03-10 16:10                             ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
2011-03-15 20:22                             ` A better autogen.sh Glenn Morris
2011-03-15 21:52                               ` Paul Eggert
2011-03-15 22:09                                 ` Glenn Morris
2011-03-15 22:37                                   ` Glenn Morris
2011-03-15 22:58                                   ` Paul Eggert
2011-03-16  4:05                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-03-16  4:14                                       ` Glenn Morris
2011-03-16  4:17                                         ` Glenn Morris
2011-03-16  5:53                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-03-16  6:39                                           ` Paul Eggert
2011-03-16  8:10                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-03-16  9:08                                               ` Paul Eggert
2011-03-16 10:12                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-03-16 10:47                                                   ` joakim
2011-03-16 11:53                                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-03-16 12:25                                                       ` joakim
2011-03-16 12:42                                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-03-16 17:52                                                   ` Paul Eggert
2011-03-16 18:54                                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-03-16 20:40                                                       ` Paul Eggert
2011-03-16 11:33                                                 ` Juanma Barranquero
2011-03-16 11:21                                               ` Juanma Barranquero
2011-03-16  6:43                                           ` Glenn Morris
2011-03-16  8:47                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-03-16  9:23                                               ` Paul Eggert
2011-03-16 10:37                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-03-16 17:17                                               ` Glenn Morris
2011-03-16 17:45                                                 ` Glenn Morris
2011-03-16 18:16                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-03-16 18:20                                                     ` Glenn Morris
2011-03-16 19:13                                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-03-16 18:15                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-03-16 15:34                               ` Stefan Monnier
2011-03-16 18:09                                 ` Glenn Morris
2011-03-16 19:12                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-03-16 19:40                                   ` Stefan Monnier
2011-03-16 20:56                                     ` Paul Eggert
2011-03-17 20:36                                       ` Glenn Morris
2011-03-17 20:40                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-03-17 20:44                                           ` Glenn Morris
2011-03-17 20:51                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-03-18  2:02                                         ` Paul Eggert
2011-03-16 18:10                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-03-16 19:13                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-03-28 20:29                           ` A better autogen.sh [was Re: Still unable to build trunk] chad
2011-03-28 20:58                             ` A better autogen.sh Glenn Morris
2011-03-28 21:45                               ` Chad Brown
2011-03-28 21:51                                 ` Glenn Morris
2011-03-29  1:17                               ` Stefan Monnier
2011-03-29  2:21                                 ` Glenn Morris
2011-03-29  3:36                                   ` Stefan Monnier
2011-03-29  6:39                                     ` Glenn Morris
2011-03-29 12:09                                       ` Jim Meyering
2011-03-29 12:19                                         ` Andreas Schwab
2011-03-29 12:23                                           ` Jim Meyering
2011-03-29 14:13                                             ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2011-03-29 15:25                                               ` Jim Meyering
2011-03-29 16:38                                                 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2011-03-29 18:46                                             ` chad
2011-03-30  6:15                                               ` Jim Meyering
2011-03-30 11:27                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-03-30 12:03                                                   ` Jim Meyering
2011-03-30 17:48                                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-03-30 19:26                                                       ` Jim Meyering
2011-03-30 20:02                                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-03-30 20:14                                                           ` Glenn Morris
2011-03-30 21:36                                                             ` Stefan Monnier
2011-03-30 21:41                                                               ` Glenn Morris
2011-03-31 14:36                                                                 ` Stefan Monnier
2011-03-28 21:57                             ` A better autogen.sh [was Re: Still unable to build trunk] Eli Zaretskii
2011-01-24 18:14                   ` Still unable to build trunk Eli Zaretskii
2011-01-24 20:58                     ` Paul Eggert
2011-01-24 21:07                       ` Andreas Schwab
2011-01-24 22:47                       ` Glenn Morris
2011-01-25  6:01                         ` Richard Stallman
2011-01-25 19:58                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-01-25 20:14                             ` Savannah loggerhead [was Re: Still unable to build trunk] Glenn Morris
2011-01-26  0:44                             ` Still unable to build trunk Richard Stallman
2011-01-26  3:56                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-01-26 12:35                       ` Lennart Borgman
2011-01-26 13:18                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-01-26 13:35                         ` Andy Moreton
2011-01-26 13:42                         ` Jim Meyering
2011-01-27  9:38                           ` Jim Meyering
2011-01-27 11:16                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-01-27 11:20                               ` Lennart Borgman
2011-01-27 11:31                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-01-27 18:27                                   ` Paul Eggert
2011-01-29 11:49                                     ` Darren Hoo
2011-01-29 12:19                                       ` Darren Hoo
2011-01-29 13:04                         ` Eli Zaretskii

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