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That's all we know. X-Spam_score_int: -17 X-Spam_score: -1.8 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.8 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN=0.001, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.249, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=_AUTOLEARN X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:248729 Archived-At: On 03.05.2020 20:29, Eli Zaretskii wrote: >> The apropos command has pretty much the same problem with filtering and >> ordering. Only more difficult, since it offers more matches. > It offers more matches because it finds what completion cannot. See also what I wrote about apropos sorting. >> Even if I start using apropos and the manual more, I will continue using >> code completion and describe-xxx commands nevertheless, and better >> naming would still help there. > It's okay to decide not to use some of the tools we have, if you don't > like them. I'm talking to those who might decide otherwise. Regardless of whether I regularly use the manual or not, it's not okay to dismiss subpar code completion experience just because we have separate commands that also do a more free-form search.