* How to safely update from ver. 8.2.10 to 8.3.x
@ 2016-08-15 2:39 Maria Shinoto
2016-08-15 17:29 ` Cook, Malcolm
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From: Maria Shinoto @ 2016-08-15 2:39 UTC (permalink / raw
To: emacs-orgmode
Hi all,
this weekend I got through lots of troubles, because I updated my
orgmode version with "manage emacs packages" menu command and somehow
got mixed preferences.
Now, after a clean install, I have org mode 8.2.10 and would like to
update to version 8.3.x (20160808) which is shown under the menu command
"manage emacs packages".
How can I do this safely, without creating a mess again?
Thanks for all advice,
Maria
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* Re: How to safely update from ver. 8.2.10 to 8.3.x
2016-08-15 2:39 How to safely update from ver. 8.2.10 to 8.3.x Maria Shinoto
@ 2016-08-15 17:29 ` Cook, Malcolm
[not found] ` <5a776464-0616-1554-b8ad-50fae2d658bc@shinoto.de>
2016-08-22 15:25 ` Jorge
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From: Cook, Malcolm @ 2016-08-15 17:29 UTC (permalink / raw
To: 'Maria Shinoto', 'emacs-orgmode@gnu.org'
> this weekend I got through lots of troubles, because I updated my
> orgmode version with "manage emacs packages" menu command and
> somehow
> got mixed preferences.
>
> Now, after a clean install, I have org mode 8.2.10 and would like to
> update to version 8.3.x (20160808) which is shown under the menu
> command
> "manage emacs packages".
>
> How can I do this safely, without creating a mess again?
Here's what I do, at the shell:
emacs -Q -batch -eval "(progn (require 'package) (add-to-list 'package-archives '(\"org\" . \"http://orgmode.org/elpa/\")) (package-initialize) (package-refresh-contents) (package-install 'org-plus-contrib))"
This assures that org is not already loaded when org is compiled, which I've learned is the source of creating a mess.
Note: I use org-plus-contrib from melpa instead of org. If you want just org, you could simply:
emacs -Q -batch -eval "(progn (require 'package) (package-initialize) (package-refresh-contents) (package-install 'org-plus-contrib))"
HTH,
Malcolm
>
> Thanks for all advice,
> Maria
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* Re: How to safely update from ver. 8.2.10 to 8.3.x
[not found] ` <1471321150864.146@stowers.org>
@ 2016-08-16 5:14 ` Maria Shinoto
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From: Maria Shinoto @ 2016-08-16 5:14 UTC (permalink / raw
To: MEC, emacs-orgmode
Thanks again, this was really helpful, and I understand the logic.
To explain what worked:
- My Emacs was simply the downloaded version of "EmacsForOSX", which
resides in the application folder.
- The path to the emacs file that opens from the Terminal turned out to be
/Applications/Emacs.app/Contents/MacOS/Emacs
- So the Terminal commands was
/Applications/Emacs.app/Contents/MacOS/Emacs -Q
- After checking that only the 2 regular buffers were active and orgmode
not loaded, I installed the package with the package manager.
It worked well, my org-mode is now the newest version, and updating this
way was really easy.
May I suggest that the procedure that Malcolm explained so well will be
part of the explanation/wiki/manuals?
Beginners like me can become confused -- software bug, stupid user bug,
what else...
Cheers to the list,
Maria
Am 16.08.16 um 13:19 schrieb Cook, Malcolm:
> Answers are out of order:
>
> (2) - oops , you are correct. What you want is:
>
>> emacs -Q -batch -eval "(progn (require 'package)
>> (package-initialize) (package-refresh-contents) (package-install
>> 'org))"
>
>
> (1) - you have 2 copies of emacs installed on your mac probably one
> in /usr/bin/emacs . How did you install the gui version? If
> Homebrew, then the other is in /usr/local/bin/emacs. If EmacsForOSX
> then, if I remember correctly, it is in /Applications/Emacs.app which
> is really just a folder and which contains in it Emacs the actual
> emacs program to run. In any case, just replace emacs in the above
> command line with the full path to the emacs you are using, like
> this:
>
>> /usr/local/bin/emacs -Q -batch -eval "(progn (require 'package)
>> (package-initialize) (package-refresh-contents) (package-install
>> 'org))"
>
> or this
>
>> /Applications/Emacs.app/emacs -Q -batch -eval "(progn (require
>> 'package) (package-initialize) (package-refresh-contents)
>> (package-install 'org))"
>
>
> (3) yes - start a fresh emacs and don't load your init.el file,
> using the -Q option, like this
>
>> /Applications/Emacs.app/emacs -Q
>
> And then don't load any .org files!!! Go directly to the package
> manager and refresh your org installation like any other package.
>
> ~ malcolm_cook@stowers.org
>
> ________________________________________ From: Maria Shinoto
> <maria@shinoto.de> Sent: Monday, August 15, 2016 6:06 PM To: Cook,
> Malcolm Subject: Re: [O] How to safely update from ver. 8.2.10 to
> 8.3.x
>
> Hi,
>
> so, it was good that I asked, thanks for your advice.
>
> I got the idea, but there are two questions left. I prefer simple
> org since I am a beginner and want to start with the standards.
>
>> emacs -Q -batch -eval "(progn (require 'package) (add-to-list
>> 'package-archives '(\"org\" . \"http://orgmode.org/elpa/\"))
>> (package-initialize) (package-refresh-contents) (package-install
>> 'org-plus-contrib))"
>
>> Note: I use org-plus-contrib from melpa instead of org. If you
>> want just org, you could simply:
>>
>> emacs -Q -batch -eval "(progn (require 'package)
>> (package-initialize) (package-refresh-contents) (package-install
>> 'org-plus-contrib))"
>
> (1) When I check my emacs version in the Terminal (running Mac OS X
> 10.11), I get version "GNU Emacs 22.1.1", while asking from the GUI
> shows version 24.5 (9.0). I do not understand why this can happen,
> how these are separated and how they influence each other.
> Furthermore, if they are separate, how should an installation from
> the Terminal influence the situation in the GUI?
>
>
>
> (2) Your second script is different, but it still deals with
> "org-plus-contrib". Could you verify the script so that I can be
> sure that I install the right org-mode version?
>
>
> (3) Is there a way to safely install the org-mode package from the
> GUI package manager? This would be easiest, since I intend to go on
> with the GUI emacs. In other words, I am looking for a way to start
> the GUI without org-mode loaded (similar to "emacs -Q" in the
> Terminal).
>
>
> Thanks again, Maria
>
>
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* Re: How to safely update from ver. 8.2.10 to 8.3.x
2016-08-15 17:29 ` Cook, Malcolm
[not found] ` <5a776464-0616-1554-b8ad-50fae2d658bc@shinoto.de>
@ 2016-08-22 15:25 ` Jorge
2016-08-22 16:39 ` Jorge
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From: Jorge @ 2016-08-22 15:25 UTC (permalink / raw
To: Cook, Malcolm; +Cc: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org, Maria Shinoto
On 15 August 2016 at 14:29, Cook, Malcolm <MEC@stowers.org> wrote:
> emacs -Q -batch -eval "(progn (require 'package) (add-to-list 'package-archives '(\"org\" . \"http://orgmode.org/elpa/\")) (package-initialize) (package-refresh-contents) (package-install 'org-plus-contrib))"
Here I plan to drop the "-Q" (because --batch already implies -q,
which I think is enough). So my command would be
emacs --batch --eval "(progn (require 'package) (add-to-list
'package-archives '(\"org\" . \"http://orgmode.org/elpa/\"))
(package-initialize) (package-refresh-contents) (package-install
'org-plus-contrib))"
> Note: I use org-plus-contrib from melpa instead of org. If you want just org, you could simply:
>
> emacs -Q -batch -eval "(progn (require 'package) (package-initialize) (package-refresh-contents) (package-install 'org-plus-contrib))"
Would not it be
emacs -Q --batch --eval "(progn (require 'package)
(package-initialize) (package-refresh-contents) (package-install
'org))"
?
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* Re: How to safely update from ver. 8.2.10 to 8.3.x
2016-08-22 15:25 ` Jorge
@ 2016-08-22 16:39 ` Jorge
2016-08-22 17:19 ` Cook, Malcolm
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From: Jorge @ 2016-08-22 16:39 UTC (permalink / raw
To: Cook, Malcolm; +Cc: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org, Maria Shinoto
In the last command I forgot to drop the -Q. But I guess it works either way.
On 22 August 2016 at 12:25, Jorge <jorge13515@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 15 August 2016 at 14:29, Cook, Malcolm <MEC@stowers.org> wrote:
>> emacs -Q -batch -eval "(progn (require 'package) (add-to-list 'package-archives '(\"org\" . \"http://orgmode.org/elpa/\")) (package-initialize) (package-refresh-contents) (package-install 'org-plus-contrib))"
> Here I plan to drop the "-Q" (because --batch already implies -q,
> which I think is enough). So my command would be
> emacs --batch --eval "(progn (require 'package) (add-to-list
> 'package-archives '(\"org\" . \"http://orgmode.org/elpa/\"))
> (package-initialize) (package-refresh-contents) (package-install
> 'org-plus-contrib))"
>
>> Note: I use org-plus-contrib from melpa instead of org. If you want just org, you could simply:
>>
>> emacs -Q -batch -eval "(progn (require 'package) (package-initialize) (package-refresh-contents) (package-install 'org-plus-contrib))"
>
> Would not it be
> emacs -Q --batch --eval "(progn (require 'package)
> (package-initialize) (package-refresh-contents) (package-install
> 'org))"
> ?
>
>
> --
> - I am Brazilian. I apologize for possibly bad English and I welcome
> corrections.
> - Please adopt free formats like PDF, ODF, LaTeX, Vorbis, Opus, WebM and 7z.
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- Please adopt free formats like PDF, ODF, LaTeX, Vorbis, Opus, WebM and 7z.
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* Re: How to safely update from ver. 8.2.10 to 8.3.x
2016-08-22 16:39 ` Jorge
@ 2016-08-22 17:19 ` Cook, Malcolm
2016-08-22 20:35 ` Jorge
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From: Cook, Malcolm @ 2016-08-22 17:19 UTC (permalink / raw
To: 'Jorge'; +Cc: 'emacs-orgmode@gnu.org', 'Maria Shinoto'
> In the last command I forgot to drop the -Q. But I guess it works either way.
I would not trust the result from failing to drop the -Q since the -Q is what prevents your init file from loading, which we are explicitly trying to avoid for the sake of compiling org in a fresh environment.
~Malcolm
>
> On 22 August 2016 at 12:25, Jorge <jorge13515@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On 15 August 2016 at 14:29, Cook, Malcolm <MEC@stowers.org> wrote:
> >> emacs -Q -batch -eval "(progn (require 'package) (add-to-list
> 'package-archives '(\"org\" . \"http://orgmode.org/elpa/\")) (package-
> initialize) (package-refresh-contents) (package-install 'org-plus-contrib))"
> > Here I plan to drop the "-Q" (because --batch already implies -q,
> > which I think is enough). So my command would be
> > emacs --batch --eval "(progn (require 'package) (add-to-list
> > 'package-archives '(\"org\" . \"http://orgmode.org/elpa/\"))
> > (package-initialize) (package-refresh-contents) (package-install
> > 'org-plus-contrib))"
> >
> >> Note: I use org-plus-contrib from melpa instead of org. If you want just
> org, you could simply:
> >>
> >> emacs -Q -batch -eval "(progn (require 'package) (package-initialize)
> (package-refresh-contents) (package-install 'org-plus-contrib))"
> >
> > Would not it be
> > emacs -Q --batch --eval "(progn (require 'package)
> > (package-initialize) (package-refresh-contents) (package-install
> > 'org))"
> > ?
> >
> >
> > --
> > - I am Brazilian. I apologize for possibly bad English and I welcome
> > corrections.
> > - Please adopt free formats like PDF, ODF, LaTeX, Vorbis, Opus, WebM
> and 7z.
> > - Free software for Android: https://f-droid.org/
>
>
>
> --
> - I am Brazilian. I apologize for possibly bad English and I welcome
> corrections.
> - Please adopt free formats like PDF, ODF, LaTeX, Vorbis, Opus, WebM and
> 7z.
> - Free software for Android: https://f-droid.org/
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* Re: How to safely update from ver. 8.2.10 to 8.3.x
2016-08-22 17:19 ` Cook, Malcolm
@ 2016-08-22 20:35 ` Jorge
2016-08-22 22:13 ` Cook, Malcolm
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From: Jorge @ 2016-08-22 20:35 UTC (permalink / raw
To: Cook, Malcolm; +Cc: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org, Maria Shinoto
On 22 August 2016 at 14:19, Cook, Malcolm <MEC@stowers.org> wrote:
>> In the last command I forgot to drop the -Q. But I guess it works either way.
>
> I would not trust the result from failing to drop the -Q since the -Q is what prevents your init file from loading, which we are explicitly trying to avoid for the sake of compiling org in a fresh environment.
>
According to [[info:emacs#Initial Options]], --batch implies -q.
About -q and -Q, we have:
‘-q’
‘--no-init-file’
Do not load any initialization file (*note Init File::). When
Emacs is invoked with this option, the Customize facility does not
allow options to be saved (*note Easy Customization::). This
option does not disable loading ‘site-start.el’.
[...]
‘-Q’
‘--quick’
Start emacs with minimum customizations. This is similar to using
‘-q’, ‘--no-site-file’, ‘--no-site-lisp’, and ‘--no-splash’
together. This also stops Emacs from processing X resources by
setting ‘inhibit-x-resources’ to ‘t’ (*note Resources::).
So --batch implies -q, which is enough to bypass init.el. -Q is
stronger than -q: it adds ‘--no-site-file’, ‘--no-site-lisp’, and
‘--no-splash’ and inibits X resources. But AFAIK, only my init.el
loads Org, and not site-start.el, which is empty here, or any Lisp
file in a site-lisp directory. I searched every file in
/usr/share/emacs/site-lisp for "org" and I didn't find any line that
loads Org.
I am an Emacs beginner though, so I may be wrong.
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* Re: How to safely update from ver. 8.2.10 to 8.3.x
2016-08-22 20:35 ` Jorge
@ 2016-08-22 22:13 ` Cook, Malcolm
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From: Cook, Malcolm @ 2016-08-22 22:13 UTC (permalink / raw
To: 'Jorge'; +Cc: 'emacs-orgmode@gnu.org', 'Maria Shinoto'
> > I would not trust the result from failing to drop the -Q since the -Q is what
> prevents your init file from loading, which we are explicitly trying to avoid
> for the sake of compiling org in a fresh environment.
> >
> According to [[info:emacs#Initial Options]], --batch implies -q.
> About -q and -Q, we have:
>
> ‘-q’
> ‘--no-init-file’
> Do not load any initialization file (*note Init File::). When
> Emacs is invoked with this option, the Customize facility does not
> allow options to be saved (*note Easy Customization::). This
> option does not disable loading ‘site-start.el’.
> [...]
> ‘-Q’
> ‘--quick’
> Start emacs with minimum customizations. This is similar to using
> ‘-q’, ‘--no-site-file’, ‘--no-site-lisp’, and ‘--no-splash’
> together. This also stops Emacs from processing X resources by
> setting ‘inhibit-x-resources’ to ‘t’ (*note Resources::).
Aha - thanks for the rundown.....
>
> So --batch implies -q, which is enough to bypass init.el. -Q is
> stronger than -q: it adds ‘--no-site-file’, ‘--no-site-lisp’, and
> ‘--no-splash’ and inibits X resources. But AFAIK, only my init.el
> loads Org, and not site-start.el, which is empty here, or any Lisp
> file in a site-lisp directory. I searched every file in
> /usr/share/emacs/site-lisp for "org" and I didn't find any line that
> loads Org.
>
> I am an Emacs beginner though, so I may be wrong.
I'm now figuring you're right.
>
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