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From: Drew Adams <drew.adams@oracle.com>
To: Emanuel Berg <embe8573@student.uu.se>, help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org
Subject: RE: Is Emacs very alive, active and improving?
Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2013 16:37:24 -0700 (PDT)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <a035a40e-a14b-4bae-a4e8-c77a24a173f5@default> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87y57kur51.fsf@nl106-137-194.student.uu.se>

> You always tell me I should report all problems as bugs.

No, I do *not* tell you or anyone else that.

Use your *judgment*.  If *you* think something is not as it could be
& should be in Emacs, then *you* can think about whether or not *you*
might want to make an enhancement request or report a bug.  That's
the point.

I only point out to people that `report-emacs-bug' is one way (a
good way; a recommended and expected way) to communicate change
requests to Emacs Dev.

> I don't think that is a good attitude, I rather examine how to fix
> the problem myself.  So you don't need to repeat that all the time.

Good for you.  You are a big boy now; it's clear.

But I am not trying to help only you, Emanuel.  I have found that
reminding readers of this list of the possibility of reporting to
Emacs Dev can be helpful - for Emacs and for Emacs users generally.

IOW, for me it is not just about getting you an answer to your
little problem.  If what I say happens to help you too, so much the
better.

> Only if I find really obvious bugs, I'll report them, and
> you don't need to tell me to.

I don't need to read or reply to your emails at all.  I reply
to messages when I think what I have to say might help someone.
It's not about you.

> I stopped go on and on about the mouse, remember?  So relax. 
> But I appreciate the other info you provided. Or, put it like
> this: Thanks for the -- help.

You're welcome.  Now, because Emacs is a self-documenting editor,
you can also *just ask Emacs*.  That's the point in pointing people
to the doc instead of just providing an answer: learn to fish.
Emacs is a fertile fishing ground.

My recommendation - for anyone - is to ask Emacs first (e.g., check
doc and source code).  Ask `help-gnu-emacs', or stack overflow, or
whatever else only after asking Emacs itself.

In the long run, doing that will be the most helpful, IMHO.  Emacs
knows more and usually explains better, when it comes to questions
about Emacs.

(Yes, asking Emacs can be harder for someone for whom English is
not so easy.  And yes, anyone is free to ignore my advice and ask
a help list first - no problem.)



  reply	other threads:[~2013-08-29 23:37 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 113+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2013-08-26 22:43 Is Emacs very alive, active and improving? Jorge Peixoto de Morais Neto
2013-08-27  0:05 ` Perry Smith
2013-08-27  0:25   ` Jorge Peixoto de Morais Neto
2013-08-27  9:07 ` Peter Dyballa
2013-08-27 23:52 ` Suvayu Ali
2013-08-28  3:03   ` Yagnesh Raghava Yakkala
2013-08-29  0:39     ` Suvayu Ali
2013-08-28 20:19 ` Ken Goldman
2013-08-29  0:25   ` Stefan Monnier
     [not found] ` <mailman.904.1377721211.10748.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2013-08-28 20:53   ` Emanuel Berg
2013-10-03 19:25     ` Ken Goldman
     [not found]     ` <mailman.3330.1380828355.10748.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2013-10-03 19:58       ` Emanuel Berg
2013-08-28 21:09 ` W. Greenhouse
     [not found] ` <mailman.907.1377724222.10748.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2013-08-28 21:55   ` Emanuel Berg
2013-08-29  2:04     ` Kevin Montuori
     [not found]     ` <mailman.935.1377741861.10748.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2013-08-29  2:55       ` Emanuel Berg
2013-08-29  3:06         ` Emanuel Berg
2013-08-29  7:59     ` W. Greenhouse
     [not found]     ` <mailman.943.1377763221.10748.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2013-08-29 20:53       ` Emanuel Berg
2013-08-29 21:05         ` Drew Adams
     [not found]         ` <mailman.992.1377810361.10748.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2013-08-29 21:24           ` Emanuel Berg
2013-08-29 23:37             ` Drew Adams [this message]
     [not found]             ` <mailman.996.1377819467.10748.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2013-08-30  0:25               ` Emanuel Berg
2013-08-29 22:47           ` Emanuel Berg
2013-08-30  6:09         ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-08-30  1:32     ` MBR
     [not found]     ` <mailman.999.1377826390.10748.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2013-08-30  2:26       ` Emanuel Berg
2013-08-30 11:58         ` Stefan Monnier
2013-08-30 12:21     ` Ludwig, Mark
2013-08-30 13:28       ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-08-29 23:50 ` Jorge Peixoto de Morais Neto
     [not found] ` <mailman.997.1377820262.10748.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2013-08-30  0:28   ` Emanuel Berg
2013-08-30  1:23     ` Jorge
     [not found]     ` <mailman.998.1377825809.10748.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2013-08-30  2:22       ` Emanuel Berg
2013-08-30  6:31         ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-08-30 16:24         ` Jorge
2013-10-04 11:30 ` Luca Ferrari
2013-10-04 21:59   ` Jude DaShiell
2013-10-04 23:16     ` Bob Proulx
     [not found]     ` <mailman.3434.1380928592.10748.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2013-10-04 23:35       ` Emanuel Berg
2013-10-06 12:07         ` Rustom Mody
2013-10-06 21:50           ` Evans Winner
2013-10-09 19:41             ` Emanuel Berg
2013-10-10  4:27               ` Teemu Likonen
     [not found]               ` <mailman.3736.1381379296.10748.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2013-10-10  5:25                 ` Rustom Mody
2013-10-10  8:24                   ` Andreas Röhler
2013-10-10 22:18                     ` Bob Proulx
2013-10-11 10:39                       ` Andreas Röhler
2013-10-10 10:36                   ` Phillip Lord
2013-10-10 11:00                     ` Rainer M Krug
2013-10-10 15:16                       ` Peter Dyballa
2013-10-11 11:06                       ` Phillip Lord
2013-10-12 22:01                         ` Christopher Ritsen
2013-10-14 11:04                           ` Phillip Lord
2013-10-14 16:50                             ` Stefan Monnier
2013-10-14 19:25                             ` Christopher Ritsen
2013-10-15 11:30                               ` Phillip Lord
     [not found]                               ` <mailman.4032.1381836640.10748.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2013-10-15 17:56                                 ` Emanuel Berg
     [not found]                             ` <mailman.3989.1381778782.10748.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2013-10-14 21:54                               ` Emanuel Berg
2013-10-15  6:27                                 ` Bob Proulx
     [not found]                                 ` <mailman.4022.1381818464.10748.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2013-10-15 17:50                                   ` Emanuel Berg
2013-10-16  4:56                                     ` Rustom Mody
2013-10-17  1:45                                       ` Emanuel Berg
     [not found]                         ` <mailman.3906.1381619521.10748.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2013-10-13  2:36                           ` Rustom Mody
2013-10-10 13:04                   ` Carson Chittom
     [not found]                   ` <mailman.3784.1381425760.10748.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2013-10-10 20:44                     ` Emanuel Berg
     [not found]                   ` <mailman.3742.1381393368.10748.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2013-10-10 20:57                     ` Emanuel Berg
2013-10-11 10:56                       ` Andreas Röhler
2013-10-11 19:06                         ` Bob Proulx
2013-10-12  7:48                           ` Andreas Röhler
     [not found]                           ` <mailman.3875.1381563966.10748.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2013-10-12 20:24                             ` Emanuel Berg
2013-10-10 23:54                   ` Emanuel Berg
2013-10-11  0:05                     ` Emanuel Berg
2013-10-11  5:58                       ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
     [not found]                       ` <mailman.3818.1381470912.10748.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2013-10-11 17:20                         ` Emanuel Berg
2013-10-09 19:31           ` Emanuel Berg
2013-10-10  2:28             ` Rustom Mody
2013-10-09 21:30         ` Tom Davey
     [not found]         ` <mailman.3718.1381354235.10748.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2013-10-09 21:51           ` Emanuel Berg
2013-10-10 16:24         ` henry atting
2013-10-11  5:19         ` Eric Abrahamsen
     [not found] ` <mailman.3391.1380886224.10748.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2013-10-04 17:45   ` Emanuel Berg
2013-10-04 19:28     ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
     [not found]     ` <mailman.3429.1380914709.10748.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2013-10-04 20:18       ` Emanuel Berg
2013-10-08 11:36     ` Rustom Mody
2013-10-09 19:43       ` Emanuel Berg
     [not found] ` <mailman.815.1377561963.10748.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2013-10-13 14:47   ` Eric Brown
2013-10-13 15:08     ` Emanuel Berg
2013-10-13 17:52       ` Eric Brown
2013-10-13 18:13     ` Alex Schroeder
2013-10-13 19:23       ` Emanuel Berg
     [not found] <mailman.811.1377557346.10748.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2013-08-27  1:44 ` Rustom Mody
2013-08-27 23:59 ` Emanuel Berg
2013-08-28  0:20   ` Marko Vojinovic
2013-08-28  1:56     ` Stefan Monnier
     [not found]     ` <mailman.880.1377655035.10748.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2013-08-28  1:59       ` Emanuel Berg
2013-08-28  0:35   ` Marc Weber
     [not found]   ` <mailman.874.1377650119.10748.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2013-08-28  1:08     ` Emanuel Berg
2013-08-28  3:25       ` Marc Weber
     [not found]       ` <mailman.883.1377660293.10748.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2013-08-28  4:08         ` Rustom Mody
2013-08-28 20:48           ` Emanuel Berg
2013-08-28 20:37         ` Emanuel Berg
2013-08-28  1:39   ` Jorge
2013-10-12 13:39 ` Kai Grossjohann
2013-10-12 15:30   ` Drew Adams
2013-10-12 20:39   ` Emanuel Berg
2013-10-12 20:57     ` Kai Grossjohann
2013-10-12 20:58     ` Emanuel Berg
     [not found]   ` <mailman.3883.1381591837.10748.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2013-10-12 21:01     ` Kai Grossjohann
2013-10-12 21:14       ` Drew Adams
2013-10-12 21:15       ` Emanuel Berg
2013-10-13 13:33         ` Kai Großjohann
     [not found]         ` <mailman.3924.1381671200.10748.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2013-10-13 15:25           ` Emanuel Berg

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