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From: Jean Louis <bugs@gnu.support>
To: Drew Adams <drew.adams@oracle.com>
Cc: emacs-tangents@gnu.org
Subject: Re: [External] : Emacs website, Lisp, and other
Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2024 23:50:31 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <Zxlhl3cq5JPnmsB1@lco2> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <DS7PR10MB52322BDD00D3F2204654670BF34D2@DS7PR10MB5232.namprd10.prod.outlook.com>

* Drew Adams <drew.adams@oracle.com> [2024-10-23 23:26]:
> > > > So the Emacs website and documentation should not sell elisp short.
> > >
> > > "marketing", "marketing", "marketing",
> > > "marketing", "marketing", "marketing".
> > >
> > > FWIW, a description, accurate or inaccurate, isn't
> > > necessarily marketing.  We're not selling Emacs or
> > > Elisp.  There's no market involved.
> 
> GNU's not selling Emacs or Elisp.  They're not being
> produced for exchange/sale by GNU.  It's not commodity
> production.
> 
> (But you can still buy a printed manual from GNU, I assume.)
> 
> > Emacs is product, and can be well sold, it is power text editor, with
> > too many features and extensibility. Perfect software product. Manage
> > anything, compan, clinic, hospital, memberships, calculations,
> > spreadsheets, plethora of features.
> > 
> > It is sellable. License allows it. Just sell.
> 
> It's not developed for sale by GNU; that's the point.
> That's not the purpose/motivation behind its production.

https://www.gnu.org/bulletins/bull23.html#SEC28

Watch, GNU system was sold for years on CD-ROMs. I have seen it sold
on the shelves of the bookstore. I just guess Emacs was included.

> You can develop your own enhancements for it with an
> eye to selling them, i.e., with that as their purpose.
> But the motivation behind the development of GNU Emacs
> isn't to sell it.  It has great use value and zero
> exchange value - like the air we breathe.

License does not prohibit selling. Motivation we know. But it is
sellable product, just as many other products.

In your country it may not be common, software is however sold in all
forms in other countries. I have purchased Red Hat Linux in past,
Emacs was on the CD-ROM and advertised.

-- 
Jean

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  reply	other threads:[~2024-10-23 20:50 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 86+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-08-04 22:27 Emacs website, Lisp, and other Jeremy Bryant
2024-08-04 22:55 ` Emanuel Berg
2024-08-05  4:29   ` Emanuel Berg
2024-08-05  9:23   ` Christopher Dimech
2024-08-05 10:43     ` Emanuel Berg
2024-08-05 11:37       ` divya
2024-08-05 11:56         ` Christopher Dimech
2024-08-05 12:33         ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-08-05 11:45       ` Christopher Dimech
2024-08-05 12:56       ` Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide
2024-08-05 13:16         ` Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide
2024-08-05 14:46           ` Christopher Dimech
2024-08-05 21:28             ` Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide
2024-08-05 14:55         ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-08-05 12:28     ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-08-05 16:27       ` 10 problems with Elisp, part 10 (was: Re: Emacs website, Lisp, and other) Emanuel Berg
2024-08-05 16:38         ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-08-05 17:03           ` Emanuel Berg
2024-08-05 18:32             ` 10 problems with Elisp, part 10 Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide
2024-08-05 20:20               ` Emanuel Berg
2024-08-06  7:14                 ` Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide
2024-08-06  7:21                   ` Org mode API (was: 10 problems with Elisp, part 10) Ihor Radchenko
2024-08-06  8:23                     ` Org mode API Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide
2024-08-10 16:55                       ` Ihor Radchenko
2024-08-06 11:54                   ` 10 problems with Elisp, part 10 Eli Zaretskii
2024-08-08  2:01                     ` Richard Stallman
2024-08-09 22:39                       ` Emanuel Berg
2024-08-13  1:28                         ` Richard Stallman
2024-08-09 22:46                     ` Emanuel Berg
2024-08-10  5:41                       ` Emanuel Berg
2024-08-10  6:09                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-08-13  1:28                       ` Richard Stallman
2024-08-05 18:58             ` 10 problems with Elisp, part 10 (was: Re: Emacs website, Lisp, and other) Christopher Dimech
2024-08-05 19:30               ` 10 problems with Elisp, part 10 Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide
2024-08-05 20:02                 ` Christopher Dimech
2024-08-08  2:01                   ` Richard Stallman
2024-08-06  2:28                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-08-05 17:13         ` 10 problems with Elisp, part 10 (was: Re: Emacs website, Lisp, and other) Yuri Khan
2024-08-06  6:39         ` Emanuel Berg
2024-08-06 11:16         ` Richard Stallman
2024-08-06 22:08           ` Emanuel Berg
2024-10-23 19:25         ` Jean Louis
2024-10-23 21:13           ` Emanuel Berg
2024-10-23 21:36             ` Jean Louis
2024-10-25  6:44               ` Emanuel Berg
2024-10-28  3:27                 ` 10 problems with Elisp, part 10 Joel Reicher
2024-10-24  6:48             ` Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide via Emacs news and miscellaneous discussions outside the scope of other Emacs mailing lists
2024-08-05 20:03   ` Emacs website, Lisp, and other Alan Mackenzie
2024-08-05 21:07     ` Christopher Dimech via Emacs news and miscellaneous discussions outside the scope of other Emacs mailing lists
2024-08-06  7:42     ` Jean Louis
2024-08-06 11:14     ` Immanuel Litzroth
2024-08-05 11:56 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-08-06 19:09   ` Jeremy Bryant
2024-08-06 19:50     ` Christopher Dimech
2024-08-06 20:35       ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2024-08-06 22:10         ` Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide
2024-08-06 22:48           ` Christopher Dimech
2024-08-06 23:09           ` Drew Adams
2024-08-06 23:21             ` Christopher Dimech
2024-08-07  1:09               ` Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide
2024-10-23 19:45             ` Jean Louis
2024-10-23 20:25               ` Drew Adams via Emacs news and miscellaneous discussions outside the scope of other Emacs mailing lists
2024-10-23 20:50                 ` Jean Louis [this message]
2024-10-23 21:21                   ` Drew Adams via Emacs news and miscellaneous discussions outside the scope of other Emacs mailing lists
2024-10-23 21:37                     ` Jean Louis
2024-08-06 22:26         ` Christopher Dimech
2024-08-07  5:45         ` Emanuel Berg
2024-08-15  3:53           ` Madhu
2024-08-15  5:50             ` Emanuel Berg
2024-08-15  9:17               ` Madhu
2024-08-15  9:57                 ` Emanuel Berg
2024-10-23 19:48                   ` Jean Louis
2024-08-15  6:17             ` Emanuel Berg
2024-08-15  7:10               ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-08-15  8:06               ` Emanuel Berg
2024-08-15  9:27                 ` Emanuel Berg
2024-08-15 16:03                   ` Emanuel Berg
2024-10-23 19:52               ` Jean Louis
2024-10-23 19:41       ` Jean Louis
2024-10-24  6:39         ` Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide via Emacs news and miscellaneous discussions outside the scope of other Emacs mailing lists
2024-08-07 11:13     ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-08-07 12:03       ` Andrea Corallo
2024-08-07 12:16       ` Christopher Dimech
2024-08-08  2:01         ` Richard Stallman
2024-08-08  6:51           ` Joel Reicher
2024-08-07 12:31     ` Christopher Dimech

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