* file metadata
@ 2024-10-11 22:22 Christopher Howard
2024-10-12 7:16 ` Dan Hitt
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From: Christopher Howard @ 2024-10-11 22:22 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Help Gnu Emacs Mailing List
Hi, I have a bunch of files in various project that have non-descriptive names, but I don't want to change the file names, nor the file contents. It would be nice if there was some way I could display my own description of the file next to the the file listing, say in dired. Do we have any kind of extension, ideally with dired integration, that provides some of kind of file metadata system, or interacts with a third party metadata system?
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* Re: file metadata
2024-10-11 22:22 Christopher Howard
@ 2024-10-12 7:16 ` Dan Hitt
2024-10-14 14:47 ` Christopher Howard
2024-10-13 22:54 ` Jean Louis
2024-10-14 22:15 ` James Thomas
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From: Dan Hitt @ 2024-10-12 7:16 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Christopher Howard; +Cc: Help Gnu Emacs Mailing List
That's a really good question.
You didn't mention your underlying OS or filesystem, although i guess we'd
want emacs to work with whatever metadata system is present.
Do you already have some extra metadata assigned (say with an attribute
called 'description') through (e.g.) ext4?
dan
On Fri, Oct 11, 2024 at 3:23 PM Christopher Howard <
christopher@librehacker.com> wrote:
> Hi, I have a bunch of files in various project that have non-descriptive
> names, but I don't want to change the file names, nor the file contents. It
> would be nice if there was some way I could display my own description of
> the file next to the the file listing, say in dired. Do we have any kind of
> extension, ideally with dired integration, that provides some of kind of
> file metadata system, or interacts with a third party metadata system?
>
> --
> 📛 Christopher Howard
> 🚀 gemini://gem.librehacker.com
> 🌐 http://gem.librehacker.com
>
> בראשית ברא אלהים את השמים ואת הארץ
>
>
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* Re: file metadata
2024-10-11 22:22 Christopher Howard
2024-10-12 7:16 ` Dan Hitt
@ 2024-10-13 22:54 ` Jean Louis
2024-10-14 22:15 ` James Thomas
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From: Jean Louis @ 2024-10-13 22:54 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Christopher Howard; +Cc: Help Gnu Emacs Mailing List
* Christopher Howard <christopher@librehacker.com> [2024-10-12 01:24]:
> Hi, I have a bunch of files in various project that have non-descriptive names, but I don't want to change the file names, nor the file contents. It would be nice if there was some way I could display my own description of the file next to the the file listing, say in dired. Do we have any kind of extension, ideally with dired integration, that provides some of kind of file metadata system, or interacts with a third party metadata system?
Oh yes, I do that all the time, that is my main thing. I have too many documents, too many legal entities, employees, reports, and it is not possible to work with the file system only.
System is fully functional, though it requires personal guidance and patience to be installed. Once installed, it works fine, it would fully satisfy your needs.
RCD Notes & Hyperscope for GNU Emacs, The Dynamic Knowledge Repository:
https://gnu.support/gnu-emacs/rcd-notes-for-gnu-emacs/index.html
RCD Notes for GNU Emacs is Dynamic Knowledge Repository designed as envisioned by Doug Engelbart. Backed up by PostgreSQL relational database, RCD Notes provides features such as people management also known as CRM or Customer Relationship Management, ERP or Enterprise Resource Planning, WRS or Website Revision System and Hyperscope Dynamic Knowledge Repository. It uses any kind of Emacs major modes and any kind of lightweight markup languages for editing and writing of any of elementary objects.
Here is small video demonstration:
https://gnu.support/images/2024/10/2024-10-14/2024-10-14-01:48:10.ogv
It has tags, tag types, each tag can have tags, different language,
related person, rank, system is actually extensible on the go, it has
85 different rather fixed properties for each elementary object, plus
unlimited properties, with unlimited property types, types, subtypes,
all extensible and customizable by user. It's fantastic, it is also
good money maker system for me.
--
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* Re: file metadata
2024-10-12 7:16 ` Dan Hitt
@ 2024-10-14 14:47 ` Christopher Howard
0 siblings, 0 replies; 10+ messages in thread
From: Christopher Howard @ 2024-10-14 14:47 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Dan Hitt; +Cc: Help Gnu Emacs Mailing List
Dan Hitt <dan.hitt@gmail.com> writes:
> You didn't mention your underlying OS or filesystem, although i guess we'd
> want emacs to work with whatever metadata system is present.
>
I am using ext4, and Emacs 30.0.91 (build 12, x86_64-pc-linux-gnu, GTK+ Version 3.24.41, cairo version 1.18.0) of 2024-10-09. I am running Guix System x86_64.
> Do you already have some extra metadata assigned (say with an attribute
> called 'description') through (e.g.) ext4?
>
I do not, but I am opened minded regarding this.
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Christopher Howard
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* Re: file metadata
2024-10-11 22:22 Christopher Howard
2024-10-12 7:16 ` Dan Hitt
2024-10-13 22:54 ` Jean Louis
@ 2024-10-14 22:15 ` James Thomas
2024-10-15 22:48 ` James Thomas
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From: James Thomas @ 2024-10-14 22:15 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Christopher Howard; +Cc: Help Gnu Emacs Mailing List
Christopher Howard wrote:
> Hi, I have a bunch of files in various project that have
> non-descriptive names, but I don't want to change the file names, nor
> the file contents. It would be nice if there was some way I could
> display my own description of the file next to the the file listing,
> say in dired. Do we have any kind of extension, ideally with dired
> integration, that provides some of kind of file metadata system, or
> interacts with a third party metadata system?
I had a system where I used:
(let ((backup-directory-alist '(("." . "~/denote"))))
(make-backup-file-name-1 (expand-file-name
(file-name-with-extension filename "org"))))
...to automatically check for a corresponding denote file with metadata.
Regards,
James
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* Re: file metadata
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@ 2024-10-15 11:16 ` gfp
2024-10-15 20:20 ` Jean Louis
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From: gfp @ 2024-10-15 11:16 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: help-gnu-emacs
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Hi Jean,
thanks for sharing.
> System is fully functional, though it requires personal guidance and patience to be installed. Once installed, it works fine, it would fully satisfy your needs.
How can I install RCD Notes & Hyperscope?
Gottfried
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Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2024 01:54:39 +0300
From: Jean Louis <bugs@gnu.support>
To: Christopher Howard <christopher@librehacker.com>
Cc: Help Gnu Emacs Mailing List <help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
Subject: Re: file metadata
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* Christopher Howard <christopher@librehacker.com> [2024-10-12 01:24]:
> Hi, I have a bunch of files in various project that have
non-descriptive names, but I don't want to change the file names, nor
the file contents. It would be nice if there was some way I could
display my own description of the file next to the the file listing, say
in dired. Do we have any kind of extension, ideally with dired
integration, that provides some of kind of file metadata system, or
interacts with a third party metadata system?
Oh yes, I do that all the time, that is my main thing. I have too many
documents, too many legal entities, employees, reports, and it is not
possible to work with the file system only.
System is fully functional, though it requires personal guidance and
patience to be installed. Once installed, it works fine, it would fully
satisfy your needs.
RCD Notes & Hyperscope for GNU Emacs, The Dynamic Knowledge Repository:
https://gnu.support/gnu-emacs/rcd-notes-for-gnu-emacs/index.html
RCD Notes for GNU Emacs is Dynamic Knowledge Repository designed as
envisioned by Doug Engelbart. Backed up by PostgreSQL relational
database, RCD Notes provides features such as people management also
known as CRM or Customer Relationship Management, ERP or Enterprise
Resource Planning, WRS or Website Revision System and Hyperscope Dynamic
Knowledge Repository. It uses any kind of Emacs major modes and any kind
of lightweight markup languages for editing and writing of any of
elementary objects.
Here is small video demonstration:
https://gnu.support/images/2024/10/2024-10-14/2024-10-14-01:48:10.ogv
It has tags, tag types, each tag can have tags, different language,
related person, rank, system is actually extensible on the go, it has
85 different rather fixed properties for each elementary object, plus
unlimited properties, with unlimited property types, types, subtypes,
all extensible and customizable by user. It's fantastic, it is also
good money maker system for me.
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* Re: file metadata
2024-10-15 11:16 ` file metadata gfp
@ 2024-10-15 20:20 ` Jean Louis
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From: Jean Louis @ 2024-10-15 20:20 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: gfp; +Cc: help-gnu-emacs
With my persönliches Guidance.
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* Re: file metadata
2024-10-14 22:15 ` James Thomas
@ 2024-10-15 22:48 ` James Thomas
2024-10-15 23:32 ` James Thomas
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From: James Thomas @ 2024-10-15 22:48 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Christopher Howard; +Cc: Help Gnu Emacs Mailing List
James Thomas wrote:
> Christopher Howard wrote:
>
>> Hi, I have a bunch of files in various project that have
>> non-descriptive names, but I don't want to change the file names, nor
>> the file contents. It would be nice if there was some way I could
>> display my own description of the file next to the the file listing,
>> say in dired. Do we have any kind of extension, ideally with dired
>> integration, that provides some of kind of file metadata system, or
>> interacts with a third party metadata system?
>
> I had a system where I used:
>
> (let ((backup-directory-alist '(("." . "~/denote"))))
> (make-backup-file-name-1 (expand-file-name
> (file-name-with-extension filename "org"))))
>
> ...to automatically check for a corresponding denote file with metadata.
Wth, I decided to write it again. Sharing if useful for Denote users:
--8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8---
;; Metadata for files
(defun denote-metadata (file)
(interactive
(list (read-file-name "Metadata for file: ")))
(find-file
(let* ((backup-directory-alist `(("." . ,(denote-directory))))
(name (make-backup-file-name-1
(expand-file-name file))))
(expand-file-name
(concat
(denote-get-identifier) "--"
(file-name-nondirectory name) ".org")
(file-name-directory name))))))
(defun my/dired-mark-files-with-metadata nil
(interactive)
(save-excursion
(let* ((backup-directory-alist '(("." . "/")))
(d (file-relative-name
(make-backup-file-name-1
(expand-file-name default-directory))
"/"))
temp
(hits 0))
(mapcar
(lambda (f)
(goto-char (point-min))
(when
(search-forward-regexp
(format
"\\s %s[*@]?$"
(file-name-sans-extension
(string-remove-prefix
d
(string-trim-left
f (concat denote-id-regexp "--")))))
nil t)
(setq hits (1+ hits))
(dired-mark 1)))
(directory-files
(denote-directory) nil
(concat "\\`" denote-id-regexp "--" d)))
(message "%d files with metadata marked" hits))))
--8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8---
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* Re: file metadata
2024-10-15 22:48 ` James Thomas
@ 2024-10-15 23:32 ` James Thomas
2024-10-15 23:36 ` James Thomas
0 siblings, 1 reply; 10+ messages in thread
From: James Thomas @ 2024-10-15 23:32 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Christopher Howard; +Cc: Help Gnu Emacs Mailing List
James Thomas wrote:
> James Thomas wrote:
>
>> Christopher Howard wrote:
>>
>>> Hi, I have a bunch of files in various project that have
>>> non-descriptive names, but I don't want to change the file names, nor
>>> the file contents. It would be nice if there was some way I could
>>> display my own description of the file next to the the file listing,
>>> say in dired. Do we have any kind of extension, ideally with dired
>>> integration, that provides some of kind of file metadata system, or
>>> interacts with a third party metadata system?
>>
>> I had a system where I used:
>>
>> (let ((backup-directory-alist '(("." . "~/denote"))))
>> (make-backup-file-name-1 (expand-file-name
>> (file-name-with-extension filename "org"))))
>>
>> ...to automatically check for a corresponding denote file with metadata.
>
> Wth, I decided to write it again. Sharing if useful for Denote users:
Updated version that accounts for 'keywords' (_after_ the original file
extension):
--8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8---
;; Metadata for files
(defun denote-metadata (file)
(interactive
(list (read-file-name "Metadata for file: ")))
(find-file
(let* ((backup-directory-alist `(("." . ,(denote-directory))))
(name (make-backup-file-name-1
(expand-file-name file))))
(expand-file-name
(concat
(denote-get-identifier) "--"
(file-name-nondirectory name) ".org")
(file-name-directory name))))))
(defun my/dired-mark-files-with-metadata nil
(interactive)
(save-excursion
(let* ((backup-directory-alist '(("." . "/")))
(d (file-relative-name
(make-backup-file-name-1
(expand-file-name default-directory))
"/"))
temp
(hits 0))
(mapcar
(lambda (f)
(goto-char (point-min))
(when
(search-forward-regexp
(format
"\\s %s[*@]?$"
(string-remove-suffix
(if (setq temp (denote-retrieve-filename-keywords f))
(concat "__" temp) "")
(file-name-sans-extension
(string-remove-prefix
d
(string-trim-left
f (concat denote-id-regexp "--"))))))
nil t)
(setq hits (1+ hits))
(dired-mark 1)))
(directory-files
(denote-directory) nil
(concat "\\`" denote-id-regexp "--" d)))
(message "%d files with metadata marked" hits))))
--8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8---
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* Re: file metadata
2024-10-15 23:32 ` James Thomas
@ 2024-10-15 23:36 ` James Thomas
0 siblings, 0 replies; 10+ messages in thread
From: James Thomas @ 2024-10-15 23:36 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Christopher Howard; +Cc: Help Gnu Emacs Mailing List
James Thomas wrote:
> James Thomas wrote:
>
>> James Thomas wrote:
>>
>>> Christopher Howard wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi, I have a bunch of files in various project that have
>>>> non-descriptive names, but I don't want to change the file names, nor
>>>> the file contents. It would be nice if there was some way I could
>>>> display my own description of the file next to the the file listing,
>>>> say in dired. Do we have any kind of extension, ideally with dired
>>>> integration, that provides some of kind of file metadata system, or
>>>> interacts with a third party metadata system?
>>>
>>> I had a system where I used:
>>>
>>> (let ((backup-directory-alist '(("." . "~/denote"))))
>>> (make-backup-file-name-1 (expand-file-name
>>> (file-name-with-extension filename "org"))))
>>>
>>> ...to automatically check for a corresponding denote file with metadata.
>>
>> Wth, I decided to write it again. Sharing if useful for Denote users:
>
> Updated version that accounts for 'keywords' (_after_ the original file
> extension):
Never mind that: breaks the first function.
(I'll see myself out now)
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