Re: Elisp threading macros

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On Wed, Aug 28, 2024 at 07:54:04PM +0000, Philip Kaludercic wrote:

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> Generally this seems like a cultural clash between traditional Lisps and
> newer languages like Clojure that derive some inspired from Lisps, but
> have intentionally broken with the existing "Lisp tradition".
> Backporting concepts like these is certainly technically feasible, but
> it feels forced and foreign for people like me who don't work with
> Closure or related languages.

I think this is a very important point. Emacs Lisp (any language) isn't
"just" a set of rules, but a whole set of applications and a community
(or perhaps a set of interconnected communities) [0]. Each time someone
with big enthusiasm comes along and "hey, let's change everything, this
looks so much better", things tend to degrade into strange identity wars.

On the one hand, you can't just change the whole community "just like that":
people gravitate towards languages for reasons (I must admit I cringe myself
when I see those threaded macros, but then, my excursions into those newer
functional languages have never really worked). Most people are here because
they like things as they are.

On the other hand, for my taste at least, the reactions (my [1] reaction,
at that!) to those ideas feels sometimes more hostile than necessary.

I'd like (for myself!) to have better answers to that.

Cheers

[0] And a means of communication. And of identification. And...
[1] That's why I often shut up in those cases. But hostile silence
   is hostile, too. Oh, well.
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