From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Alan Mackenzie Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Proposal: new default bindings for winner and windmove Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2024 21:24:54 +0000 Message-ID: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="9207"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: Stefan Kangas , Stefan Monnier , Daniel Colascione , emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Dmitry Gutov Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Mon Jul 01 23:25:50 2024 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1sOOX0-0002Fs-4N for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Mon, 01 Jul 2024 23:25:50 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1sOOWG-0002lk-6X; Mon, 01 Jul 2024 17:25:05 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1sOOWE-0002l9-Fr for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 01 Jul 2024 17:25:02 -0400 Original-Received: from mail.muc.de ([193.149.48.3]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1sOOWC-0003lK-D3 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 01 Jul 2024 17:25:02 -0400 Original-Received: (qmail 7352 invoked by uid 3782); 1 Jul 2024 23:24:56 +0200 Original-Received: from muc.de (pd953a31c.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [217.83.163.28]) (using STARTTLS) by colin.muc.de (tmda-ofmipd) with ESMTP; Mon, 01 Jul 2024 23:24:55 +0200 Original-Received: (qmail 24427 invoked by uid 1000); 1 Jul 2024 21:24:54 -0000 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: X-Submission-Agent: TMDA/1.3.x (Ph3nix) X-Primary-Address: acm@muc.de Received-SPF: pass client-ip=193.149.48.3; envelope-from=acm@muc.de; helo=mail.muc.de X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.9 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:321069 Archived-At: Hello, Dmitry. On Mon, Jul 01, 2024 at 14:25:51 +0300, Dmitry Gutov wrote: > Hi Alan, > On 01/07/2024 13:07, Alan Mackenzie wrote: > > The above is true, but it misses the point. That point is that once the > > Emacs maintenance team has added a_default_ binding, that can never in > > the future be changed. People will scream "backward compatibility" > > until the heat death of the universe. > People screaming "backward compatibility" for each and every reason can > indeed be a problem. Yes, but it's a difficult problem. I would be screaming if somebody suggested removing the bindings C-o or C-M-o, for example. I use these all the time. But if I were the only user of them, it would be difficult to argue for their retention in the default key map. On the other hand, C-x w h (highlight-regexp) already has a "more modern" binding M-s h r, so although I wouldn't be enthused about the removal of C-x w h, I wouldn't object to it either. > We should be able to change default key bindings more freely than we do now. Yes, but... Every time we do this, we're upsetting _sombody_'s work flow. I don't see any way of getting this increased freedom to change. -- Alan Mackenzie (Nuremberg, Germany).