From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Alan Mackenzie Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Proposal: new default bindings for winner and windmove Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2024 13:22:10 +0000 Message-ID: References: <7133BE83-064B-43A4-A193-61376605222C@dancol.org> <055E6E92-6971-409E-A106-7E0C64FEF856@dancol.org> <87bk3r22x5.fsf@yahoo.com> <746FE961-37C5-4387-8274-7D90908EE2D6@dancol.org> <8734p3219c.fsf@yahoo.com> <867cefeo1w.fsf@gnu.org> <8734p03e94.fsf@jeremybryant.net> <867cec9ccl.fsf@gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="24661"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: Eli Zaretskii , Jeremy Bryant , luangruo@yahoo.com, stefankangas@gmail.com, monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Daniel Colascione Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Wed Jun 26 15:22:57 2024 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1sMSbx-0006Dg-EX for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 26 Jun 2024 15:22:57 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1sMSbj-0000Ts-Kz; Wed, 26 Jun 2024 09:22:43 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1sMSbh-0000Td-Kq for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 26 Jun 2024 09:22:41 -0400 Original-Received: from mail.muc.de ([193.149.48.3]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1sMSbP-0000kF-M2 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 26 Jun 2024 09:22:41 -0400 Original-Received: (qmail 93693 invoked by uid 3782); 26 Jun 2024 15:22:11 +0200 Original-Received: from muc.de (pd953ace7.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [217.83.172.231]) (using STARTTLS) by colin.muc.de (tmda-ofmipd) with ESMTP; Wed, 26 Jun 2024 15:22:11 +0200 Original-Received: (qmail 9177 invoked by uid 1000); 26 Jun 2024 13:22:10 -0000 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: X-Submission-Agent: TMDA/1.3.x (Ph3nix) X-Primary-Address: acm@muc.de Received-SPF: pass client-ip=193.149.48.3; envelope-from=acm@muc.de; helo=mail.muc.de X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.9 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:320679 Archived-At: Hello, Daniel. On Wed, Jun 26, 2024 at 07:44:19 -0400, Daniel Colascione wrote: > On June 26, 2024 7:23:38 AM EDT, Eli Zaretskii wrote: > >> From: Jeremy Bryant > >> Cc: Po Lu , dancol@dancol.org, acm@muc.de, > >> stefankangas@gmail.com, monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, emacs-devel@gnu.org > >> Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2024 22:26:47 +0100 > >> 1. > >> I also find that C-x 4 is indeed logical, which makes it easier to remember > >> 2. > >> C-x 4 .. works on the terminal/console. This is important for > >> preserving functionality of Emacs. > >I still hope that someone will tell what is exactly the request here, > >given that windmove-mode is on by default and its commands are > >autoloaded. > To be clear, my proposal is to bind C-x 4 in the default > global keymap to the corresponding directional windmove commands and > to bind the shifted versions of these keys to the state swapping > versions of these movement commands. IOW, in emacs -Q, C-x 4 LEFT > should move left. That doesn't clear up all that much. The answers to "why?" are missing. I don't think there need to be such bindings in the default keymap. As Eli said, windmove is autoloaded, including its command windmove-default-keybindings. By default, this binds S- etc., which strike me as better bindings than C-x 4 etc. for anybody not using these bindings for anything else. C-x 4 might be convenient for those on tty's whose keyboard layout lacks -, but hardly on a GUI Emacs. Possibly, windmove-default-keybindings could be enhanced to allow a prefix key binding to be given as an alternative to a set of modifiers. Possibly. So, currently, windmove is easily available to anybody that wants it, and doesn't "waste" the key bindings of those who don't. Why is the current state unsatisfactory, and why do you want to make these new bindings? -- Alan Mackenzie (Nuremberg, Germany).