Re: Proposal: new default bindings for winner and windmove

[Alan Mackenzie <acm@muc.de>]

Hello, Stefan.

On Sun, Jun 23, 2024 at 05:30:32 -0700, Stefan Kangas wrote:
> Alan Mackenzie <acm@muc.de> writes:

> > As I said, C-x 4 <arrow keys> are convenient to you for windmove
> > commands.  They'll be convenient to other users for other commands in
> > just the same way.  You're proposing imposing your setup on everybody.
> > I'm against this.

> I think "imposing" is overstating the case, given that anyone can
> easily unbind or rebind keybindings they don't like.

Maybe.  The post I was responding to didn't consist entirely of nuanced
reasoned argument either.

I also think "... can easily unbind or rebind keybindings ..." is also
an exaggeration.  It can be done, yes, by somebody who knows how, but
finding where to unbind them and how is more than just a few minutes
work for the typical user.

I speak from experience here.  org mode binds some arrow key
combinations.  Two of these, C-S-<up> and C-S-<down> which do some minor
thing in org mode are bindings I use to scroll the current window
down/up 6 lines.  So, when somebody changed NEWS from outline mode to
org mode some while ago, my finger memory stopped working.  I never got
around to disabling these bindings in org mode - it was just too much
work.

If we bind C-x 4 <arrow keys> to windmove commands, we will be imposing
just that inconvenience on people who already use the bindings for other
commands.  I don't think it's justified in this particular case.  Those
who need these bindings can bind them themselves, just as Daniel has
done.

-- 
Alan Mackenzie (Nuremberg, Germany).