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From: Alan Mackenzie <acm@muc.de>
To: Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca>
Cc: acm@muc.de, Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>, 67455@debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: bug#67455: (Record source position, etc., in doc strings, and use this in *Help* and backtraces.)
Date: Sun, 2 Jun 2024 13:38:43 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <Zlx149bFwJm0zszQ@ACM> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <jwvfrwb293o.fsf-monnier+emacs@gnu.org>

Hello, Stefan.

On Wed, Mar 27, 2024 at 08:22:27 -0400, Stefan Monnier wrote:

A bit of context: back in March, you took exception to the extensive
hand expanded backquote forms in byte-run--posify-defining-form, on the
ground that such code was too awkward for maintenance.  I insisted that
the function was needed by the macro defun.  We ended up not agreeing.

[ .... ]

> The earlier the better, in theory, but not at any cost.  Having to write
> all that code within the very restrictive sublanguage available before
> subr.el and backquote.el is a cost I don't think justifies it.

> If we *really* want that, then we should explore other avenues, such as
> keeping pre-macroexpanded versions of the files (for bootstrapping
> purposes) but generating those files from files where a more normal
> coding style can be used.
> [ Something similar to the ldefs-boot.el.  ]

The solution now seems obvious: In loadup.el, we should load
backquote.el before byte-run.el, and rewrite all our hand expanded
backquotes in byte-run.el (including in byte-run--posify-defining-form)
as actual backquote forms.

backquote.el doesn't actually need anything in byte-run.el bar the macro
defun itself.  It would be a simple job to replace each (defun
backquote-foo ...) in the file with (defalias 'backquote-foo #'(lambda
....)).

What do you think?

[ .... ]

>         Stefan

-- 
Alan Mackenzie (Nuremberg, Germany).





  parent reply	other threads:[~2024-06-02 13:38 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 65+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-11-26 14:30 bug#67455: Record source position, etc., in doc strings, and use this in *Help* and backtraces Alan Mackenzie
2023-12-04 17:36 ` Alan Mackenzie
2023-12-04 18:33   ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-12-04 21:32     ` Alan Mackenzie
2023-12-04 21:56       ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-12-04 22:30         ` Alan Mackenzie
2023-12-04 22:59           ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-12-15 18:23     ` Alan Mackenzie
2023-12-15 23:12       ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
     [not found] ` <handler.67455.B.170100905232659.ack@debbugs.gnu.org>
2024-03-04 15:38   ` bug#67455: (Record source position, etc., in doc strings, and use this in *Help* and backtraces.) Alan Mackenzie
2024-03-09 21:36     ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-03-10 16:02       ` Alan Mackenzie
2024-03-10 17:19         ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-03-10 19:22           ` Alan Mackenzie
2024-03-10 21:03             ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-03-24 11:04               ` Alan Mackenzie
2024-03-25 18:23                 ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-03-25 21:03                   ` Alan Mackenzie
2024-03-25 22:10                     ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-03-26  9:48                       ` Alan Mackenzie
2024-03-26 13:40                         ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-03-26 16:55                           ` Alan Mackenzie
2024-03-26 19:40                             ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-03-26 20:21                               ` Alan Mackenzie
2024-03-26 20:42                                 ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-03-27  3:35                                   ` Alan Mackenzie
2024-03-27 12:23                                     ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-03-27 22:00                                       ` Alan Mackenzie
2024-03-26 20:30                         ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-03-26 21:13                           ` Drew Adams
2024-03-27 10:04                           ` Alan Mackenzie
2024-03-27 12:22                             ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-03-27 21:43                               ` Alan Mackenzie
2024-03-28 16:25                                 ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-03-28 16:48                                   ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-03-30  9:10                                   ` Alan Mackenzie
2024-03-30  9:53                                   ` Alan Mackenzie
2024-03-31  2:22                                     ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-04-07 11:35                                       ` Alan Mackenzie
2024-04-08  2:19                                         ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-04-08  2:56                                           ` Alan Mackenzie
2024-04-10  8:53                                             ` Alan Mackenzie
2024-03-30 11:03                                   ` Alan Mackenzie
2024-03-31  2:54                                     ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-04-07 10:57                                       ` Alan Mackenzie
2024-04-08  3:16                                         ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-04-08  8:32                                           ` Alan Mackenzie
2024-04-08 12:00                                             ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-06-02 13:38                               ` Alan Mackenzie [this message]
2024-06-03  4:52                                 ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-06-05 15:01                                   ` Alan Mackenzie
2024-03-10 22:27           ` Alan Mackenzie
2024-03-11  0:50             ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-03-13 10:54               ` Alan Mackenzie
2024-03-13 11:52                 ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-03-19 16:18                   ` Alan Mackenzie
2024-03-19 20:47                     ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-03-19 21:40                       ` Alan Mackenzie
2024-03-19 22:32                         ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-03-24 11:21                         ` Alan Mackenzie
2024-06-01 17:40     ` Alan Mackenzie
2024-06-01 18:01       ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-06-01 18:15         ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-06-01 18:17         ` Alan Mackenzie
2024-06-01 23:14       ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors

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