From: Alan Mackenzie <acm@muc.de>
To: Dmitry Gutov <dmitry@gutov.dev>
Cc: Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca>,
Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>,
emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Subversion of user chosen major mode by Emacs.
Date: Wed, 29 May 2024 12:51:52 +0000 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <Zlck6CjsdOfgZljT@ACM> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <63afa31a-7874-4d1f-a17a-14a64ba516cb@gutov.dev>
Hello, Dmitry.
On Wed, May 29, 2024 at 14:43:29 +0300, Dmitry Gutov wrote:
> On 29/05/2024 14:16, Alan Mackenzie wrote:
> >> I think this is a misfeature of `c-ts-mode.el`, but this was the result
> >> of a long discussion and I don't think we want to revisit that yet.
> > Why did nobody involve me in this discussion, considering that the
> > result involves "stealing" CC Mode users?
> This behavior is not new: loading a *-ts-mode has been overriding the
> user preferences since 2023-01-20 (commit 6b2f85caa6).
That has nothing to do with my point it is supposedly answering.
I've just had a look at that commit, and it simply adds entries to
auto-mode-alist for the *-ts-mode modes in the traditional, normal and
acceptable fashion. CC Mode does the same.
The problem comes in a comment in that patch encouraging users to
subvert the proper meaning of c-mode, etc., from being specific modes to
being vague generic modes. This is completely unnecessary for the
normal user who uses only the *-ts- modes and not CC Mode. It is a
confusing mess for users who wish to use both of these, say for
comparison.
> Perhaps your personal customization for auto-mode-alist had been
> shielding you from the original issue. You can add a similar entry to
> major-mode-remap-alist.
Not sure what "original issue" you're referring to. My customisation
for auto-mode-alist is an eval-after-load for c-ts-mode which deletes
the *-ts- entries from auto-mode-alist. This has worked fine until
recently and should be restored to working again.
All this confusion in auto-mode-alist, and the horrible workarounds of
major-mode-remp_\(alist\|defaults\) result from a fundamental conceptual
error, namely changing c-mode and friends from having specific meanings
to being vague generic symbols. THIS is what I should have been
consulted about, as the owner of these symbols.
The latest symptom of this misunderstanding, which I bumped into
yesterday, is that Emacs changes the major mode of a C buffer with M-x
revert-buffer. This is clearly unacceptable.
--
Alan Mackenzie (Nuremberg, Germany).
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2024-05-29 12:51 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 41+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2024-05-28 10:53 My usage of imenu is broken Alan Mackenzie
2024-05-28 11:34 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-05-28 13:57 ` Alan Mackenzie
2024-05-28 18:29 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-05-28 20:46 ` Alan Mackenzie
2024-05-28 21:28 ` Stefan Monnier
2024-05-29 6:04 ` Juri Linkov
2024-05-29 11:31 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-05-29 5:38 ` Yuan Fu
2024-05-28 21:55 ` Stefan Monnier
2024-05-29 11:16 ` Subversion of user chosen major mode by Emacs. [Was: My usage of imenu is broken.] Alan Mackenzie
2024-05-29 11:43 ` Dmitry Gutov
2024-05-29 12:51 ` Alan Mackenzie [this message]
2024-05-29 16:08 ` Subversion of user chosen major mode by Emacs Dmitry Gutov
2024-05-29 16:38 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-05-29 17:56 ` Dmitry Gutov
2024-05-29 19:22 ` Alan Mackenzie
2024-05-29 19:45 ` Andrea Corallo
2024-05-29 19:59 ` Alan Mackenzie
2024-05-30 5:01 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-05-30 11:02 ` Alan Mackenzie
2024-05-29 22:10 ` Dmitry Gutov
2024-05-30 5:51 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-05-30 5:44 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-05-29 12:41 ` Subversion of user chosen major mode by Emacs. [Was: My usage of imenu is broken.] Eli Zaretskii
2024-05-29 13:29 ` Subversion of user chosen major mode by Emacs Alan Mackenzie
2024-05-29 14:20 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-05-29 15:04 ` Stefan Monnier
2024-05-29 19:17 ` Subversion of user chosen major mode by Emacs. [Was: My usage of imenu is broken.] Eli Zaretskii
2024-05-30 1:32 ` Stefan Monnier
2024-05-30 5:25 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-05-30 7:39 ` Po Lu
2024-05-30 7:53 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-05-30 14:18 ` Stefan Monnier
2024-05-30 14:33 ` Po Lu
2024-05-30 15:08 ` Stefan Monnier
2024-05-30 14:56 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-05-30 15:12 ` Stefan Monnier
2024-05-30 15:29 ` Alan Mackenzie
2024-05-30 18:30 ` Stefan Monnier
2024-05-30 16:06 ` Eli Zaretskii
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