From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Alan Mackenzie Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: master 78fc49407b8 1/3: Improve filling of ChangeLog entries Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2024 15:32:19 +0000 Message-ID: References: <170643232559.30479.16631610453249222615@vcs2.savannah.gnu.org> <20240128085846.187A2C1DAE4@vcs2.savannah.gnu.org> <540cc339-b7d4-4c1a-b084-c7f739ad4947@gutov.dev> <8734ue327d.fsf@gmail.com> <87a5omf1e8.fsf@yahoo.com> <878r45px71.fsf@yahoo.com> <87y1c5ob4h.fsf@yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="17727"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: Po Lu , =?iso-8859-1?Q?Jo=E3o_T=E1vora?= , emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Dmitry Gutov Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Wed Jan 31 16:33:34 2024 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1rVCak-0004Ud-KJ for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 31 Jan 2024 16:33:34 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1rVCZs-00019i-4G; Wed, 31 Jan 2024 10:32:40 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1rVCZq-00018y-P8 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 31 Jan 2024 10:32:38 -0500 Original-Received: from mail.muc.de ([193.149.48.3]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1rVCZo-00007k-MP for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 31 Jan 2024 10:32:38 -0500 Original-Received: (qmail 65817 invoked by uid 3782); 31 Jan 2024 16:32:20 +0100 Original-Received: from acm.muc.de (pd953aba2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [217.83.171.162]) (using STARTTLS) by colin.muc.de (tmda-ofmipd) with ESMTP; Wed, 31 Jan 2024 16:32:19 +0100 Original-Received: (qmail 9373 invoked by uid 1000); 31 Jan 2024 15:32:19 -0000 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: X-Submission-Agent: TMDA/1.3.x (Ph3nix) X-Primary-Address: acm@muc.de Received-SPF: pass client-ip=193.149.48.3; envelope-from=acm@muc.de; helo=mail.muc.de X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.9 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE=-0.01 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:315672 Archived-At: Hello, Dmitry. On Wed, Jan 31, 2024 at 17:15:41 +0200, Dmitry Gutov wrote: > On 31/01/2024 16:01, Po Lu wrote: > > See any file in CC Mode, > No shortage of maintainers, you say? None. > > or GCC's reload.cc, which features this massive conditional dwarfing > > any of ours: > Was there a way to write it more succinctly, using some higher-level > constructs? That is the subject. I think the discussion is over the advantages and disadvantages of replacing obscure concise code with its equivalent in plain Lisp. After several days of struggling with named-let, cl-labels, and friends, I vote for the plain Lisp, even if it does need more lines to express. It is simply less work. -- Alan Mackenzie (Nuremberg, Germany).